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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/12/2018 9:23 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Anyway, if the canon way of expressing the
intended meaning is {tu'lu'be'}, then I'm ok with it. But is it
canon indeed ?</div>
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<p>First off, both <b>tu'be'lu'</b> and <b>tu'lu'be'</b> are
canon.</p>
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<p><b>SuvwI'pu' qan tu'lu'be'.<br>
</b><i>There are no old warriors. </i>(TKW)</p>
<p><b>QuvlIjDaq yIH tu'be'lu'jaj<br>
</b><i>May your coordinates be free of tribbles.</i> (PK)</p>
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<p>Next, canon supports the idea that rovers do not necessarily only
affect the immediately preceding element. While this is true
sometimes (e.g., the <b>choHoHvIp</b> examples in TKD) it is not
true always. For instance:</p>
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<p><b>nom yIghoSqu'<br>
</b><i>Maximum speed!</i> (ST5)<br>
<b>-qu'</b> is intensifying the entire sentence, not just the
verb.<br>
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<p><b>Hoch DaSopbe'chugh batlh bIHeghbe'<br>
</b><i>Eat everything or you will die without honor.<br>
</i><b>-be'</b> is negating the entire main clause, not just the
verb.</p>
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<p>Finally, as Lieven says, <b>tu'lu'</b> appears to be a somewhat
fixed phrase that doesn't always work as a standard basic
sentence. Although <b>tu'</b> means <i>discover,</i> <b>tu'lu'</b>
is often used where no discovery occurs; it merely signifies a
thing's presence. In this sense it may be considered an idiom
whose formula you simply follow.<br>
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