<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-10 20:33 GMT+02:00 mayqel qunenoS <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target="_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">SuStel:</span><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> If someone were to write </span><b style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Duj Do'a' Do DoHom vIjuv</b><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"> for </span><i style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">I </i></div><div dir="auto"><i style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> measure the ship's deceleration</i></div><div dir="auto"><i style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></i></div><div dir="auto"><i style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">I can'understand this; all I read is "I measure the ship's great speed, speed, lesser speed"</i></div><div dir="auto"><i style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></i></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.696px"><i>mayqel q</i></span></font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is also the only thing I am grasping there. It would not make sense to me. It sounds either like a mere list, or like a NNN construction meaning "I measure the lesser speed of the speed of the greater speed of the ship." Neither of which makes sense. Maybe that ship has only 3 speed modes, slow pace, middle pace, and full speed, and I could measure what they are (e.g. half impulse, full impulse, and warp 1).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Interpreting something like "deceleration" into seems like a big stretch. Like linguistic fan fiction.</div><div><br></div><div>- André<br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 10, 2017 8:09 PM, "SuStel" <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I don't see these as a spectrum, and these suffixes don't
express what I thought of the nouns at the time; they tell
what I think of them when I say the sentence. <br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">It's interesting that you
don't see these suffixes as a spectrum. I thought it was a good
example of a spectrum of something like "increasing belief on my
part that this thing can or should be described by this noun",
from <b>-qoq</b> ("obviously not such a thing") to <b>-na'</b>
("definitely such a thing"). That's a good point about how they
apply at the time of speaking, though. (At first I was going to
argue that in the right context they could be taken to mean
"what I thought of them at the time", like if they were
contrasted with each other in some kind of temporal sequence,
but I think that's mostly just because I really liked that
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<p>Noun qualification suffixes applying to what a participant in the
sentence is not a complete impossibility, though I don't like it.
We've seen hints of similar in the verb qualification suffixes.
But we haven't actually seen anything like this in nouns so far as
I know, so no point trying to find a way to make it so.</p>
<p>You might construct a similar argument based on aspect suffixes
and <b>-ghach:</b> <b>SuvchoHghach SuvtaHghach Suvpu'ghach</b>
for something like <i>fight from start to finish.</i> There's an
unmistakable sequence here, but it doesn't exactly roll off the
tongue. And with this one there's actually little point to
nominalizing it; just say <b>SuvchoH SuvtaH Suvpu'.</b> Interpret
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