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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Another example of a fixed feature not using a suffix is on the Bird of Prey poster: <b>tlhIngan juHqo'Daq tlhIng yoSDaq 'oH toQDuj chenmoHlu'meH Daq wa'DIch'e'</b>.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>SkyBox 99 had this, referring to Deep Space Nine: <b>qIb HeHDaq, 'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh lenglu'meH He ghoSlu'bogh retlhDaq 'oHtaH</b>. Another possibly bad data point, since Deep Space Nine is technically capable of limited movement, even though it really is a fixed feature.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>But SkyBox S27 had an unambiguous example: <b>pa' 'oHtaH vaS'a''e'.<o:p></o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal>Basically, it’s a mess.</p><p class=MsoNormal><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>SuStel<br>http://trimboli.name</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com">nIqolay Q</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, October 9, 2017 12:50 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org">tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Saying I'm not there</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 11:41 PM, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 10/8/2017 11:36 PM, SuStel wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 10/8/2017 11:29 PM, Alan Anderson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;transition: transform 1s ease 0s'><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 7:05 PM, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am of the opinion, informed by no canon whatsoever, that the rule is that pronouns of being in a place require an aspect, but not necessarily a type 7 suffix. </p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Unfortunately, that opinion is contradicted by canon. Again, from the UKE appendix:<br><br>"Where is a good restaurant?" {nuqDaq 'oH Qe' QaQ'e'} <br><br>"Where is the bathroom?" {nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''e'}</p></blockquote><p>Any examples where we're not asking questions?</p></blockquote><p>Here's a sort-of example: <b>ghe''orDaq luSpet 'oH DaqlIj'e'.</b> But it's not of the same form as the others, so it's not a good data point.</p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>One thing that is in common between those examples is that the thing in question doesn't move, it's a fixed location. People move around, so you might want to emphasize if someone is in a location for a while (i.e., using the<b> -taH</b>), whereas the restaurant or bathroom probably isn't going anywhere. Are there more examples where the thing that is in a place is a fixed feature rather than a person or ship or the like?</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>