<div dir="auto">I agree with many of the things, which you said lieven.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have no problem with accepting new rules from 'oqranD.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If someone brings to his attention a problem, and he says "this is the way to do it", then I will be happy because we learn something new, or because we receive a clarification much needed.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But I don't like mistakes being canonized "out of kindness" towards the people who made them.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In my opinion, if something like this takes place, it is disrespectful towards the rest of the people.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And it is disrespectful for a simple reason..</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Because as a result, all klingonists will be categorized as such:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Those whose mistakes are canonized..</div><div dir="auto">Those whose mistakes aren't canonized..<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And this very wrong.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">mayqel q</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 5, 2017 14:02, "Lieven" <<a href="mailto:levinius@gmx.de">levinius@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 05.10.2017 um 11:05 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:<br>
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Before I start let me clarify that I mean no disrespect to anyone..<br>
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qay'be'.<br>
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So, why may I ask do we need to take it so seriously into account ?<br>
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I can't speak for the others, but I treat this topic with no difference from who wrote it. If a beginner had said this, I would argue the same way I did here.<br>
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If this sentence was written here by a grammarian, perhaps noone would <br>
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This WAS written by a grammarian.<br>
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So, why bother ourselves with a sentence which's only significance,<br>
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Because I think that this is an interesting problem that needs to be solved. And even if not solved, it is worth talking about.<br>
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So, I, the fool who tries to learn the language, have to learn the mistake someone else made, and like it.<br>
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In my humble opinion, this is not respectful to the people who try to learn the language, people who without them, klingon would be nothing.<br>
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Oh, no, on the contrary. The language is developping and growing. There have been many cases where we would have said thsat it's wrong, and later learned that is not so wrong after all.<br>
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This happens with "real" languages as well. Ask your grand parents. I'm sure that they were learning things in school being called wrong, that have changed to become correct with newer rules. I don't know for greek, of course, but for instance, German and Dutch have gotten several "reforms" of grammar and spelling over the years.<br>
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If indeed "we succeed together in a greater whole", that "whole" has to be respected, and not having the mistakes of others being forced upon it.<br>
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What if the "whole" is doing one mistake all the time again and again? If everybody does the same mistake, what about that? Yes, it will become "accepted", and might be explained as a rule of common use (e.g. the use of tu'lu' where lutu'lu' is expected).<br>
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People who have taken time out of their lives in order to learn the language deserve better.<br>
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jIQoch. Everything changes. You can't learn something and expect this to be an eternal fact. You're a medical. You might have learned to use a medicine in the nineties, which may be discovered today to be harmful. We have learned in school that there are nine planets, and suddenly Pluto is not a planet anymore. In 1985, TKD said that adverbials come at the beginning of a sentence. The addendum of 1992 corrected that they precede the ovs.<br>
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We will be getting lots of corrections and additions, I'm sure. And that's why Klingon is called "the fastest growing language of the Galaxy."<br>
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Lieven L. Litaer<br>
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