<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Thank you both De'vID and SuStel for your replies, and apologies for taking a while to get back to you.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">So as I understand the most correct way in those cases can be summarized as below:</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">< Subject 1> causes <Subject 2> to <verb> <direct object></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">becomes</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">< Subject 2>-vaD <direct object> <verb>-moH < Subject 1></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">If there is an indirect object as well as a direct object, is there already an established way to say it?</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">For example:</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">The Captain made the prisoner give the knife to the officer</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Do we just get 2 nouns with -vaD suffix ?</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">yaSvaD qama'vaD taj nobmoH HoD</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">or is it safer to work around the problem as below:</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">qama’ raDmo’ HoD, yaSvaD taj nob qama’</font></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-09-15 15:26 GMT+02:00 SuStel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_6252095045779801099moz-cite-prefix">On 9/15/2017 5:18 AM, Aurélie
Demonchaux wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I have been
wondering about how to perfectly convey sentences where there
seems to be 2 subjects, such as "She made you wait for us" and
just came up with an idea that I wanted to discuss with you:
using < ... ’e’ qaSmoH ></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">For instance:</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">juloS ’e’ qaSmoH </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> Literally:
She caused it to happen that you waited for us</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Or, for the
example from last month (they made the dog enter the cage:
DogvaD mo’ lu’elmoH):</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">mo’ ’el dog ’e’
luqaSmoH<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">When you think
about it, in "She made you wait for us", the subject is "she"
but the object is not "you", it is the action/event "you wait
for us" taken as a whole, thus <... ’e’ qaSmoH > seems a
logical way to phrase it.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">What do you think
? Has it maybe been discussed already ?</div>
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</span><p>Sure, people have been using <b>'e' qaSmoH</b> forever. It was
one of the primary ways of getting around the "ditransitive" issue
before we had examples and confirmation. You're reconstructing it
from the other direction.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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