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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/14/2017 11:53 AM, qurgh lungqIj
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CALPi+eTp7Q5AqyTo18xpSb=7mjNo4ywOx-R8bvR==XNZgKeh3Q@mail.gmail.com">On
      Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:36 AM, SuStel <span dir="ltr"><<a
          href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank"
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      wrote:<br>
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            <div class="gmail-m_3476630140364036254moz-cite-prefix">On
              9/14/2017 11:27 AM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:<br>
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            <blockquote type="cite">On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:14 AM,
              SuStel <span dir="ltr"><<a
                  href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank"
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              wrote:<br>
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                  class="gmail-m_3476630140364036254gmail-">On 9/14/2017
                  11:01 AM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:<br>
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                    rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> Remember that
                    Klingons conquer. They take control of planets once
                    they defeat the current owners of it. They then use
                    the resources on that planet to build more ships
                    etc. They don't care about taking the stuff that
                    belongs to the locals. <br>
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                </span> Let's not go making up new cultural details to
                justify not knowing a word. Do Klingons never raid a
                place and take the stuff from it? Suppose they raided a
                Cardassian base during the war with the Dominion. They
                didn't stay to govern. Did they take nothing? What about
                Leskit from "Soldiers of the Empire," who wore a
                necklace of Cardassian neck bones?</blockquote>
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                So I made up the concept that Klingons conquer stuff? </div>
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          <p>No, you made up the concept that Klingons don't care about
            taking the stuff that belongs to the locals.</p>
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      <div>Based on Star Trek canon that we have seen so far, they
        generally don't. I'm not making anything up, simply relaying
        what we know based on what's been shown that may help explain
        why "spoils of war" may not be a concept that Klingons focus on
        enough to have a specific word for. <br>
        <br>
        In "Once More Unto the Breach" they do a "cavalry raid" against
        the Dominion and attack without taking anything.<br>
        <br>
        In "Errand of Mercy" when they conquer Organia but there's no
        evidence that they take anything from the locals. They just want
        the planet due to it's position.<br>
        <br>
        If there's Trek canon that shows Klingons invading somewhere,
        and then leaving with stuff, share it with us. As far as I
        recall I don't know any.<br>
        <br>
        I'm trying to give qunnoq some show background that may help him
        look at this from a in-universe point of view. </div>
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    <p>I never put forward the claim that Klingons absolutely do take
      spoils. I simply suggested not making up the idea that they don't.</p>
    <p>I DO claim that it would be HIGHLY unbelievable if a warrior
      culture never took anything from anyone it raided. Even if we
      assumed it was not honorable to take the stuff of the vanquished,
      which I don't assume—"In war, there is nothing more honorable than
      victory"—it's not like Klingons aren't known to behave
      dishonorably all the frickin' time.</p>
    <p>So no, I'm not going to do a survey of Klingon episodes to find
      evidence of spoils, because that is not what I said in the first
      place. If I happen to think of something, I'll post it.<br>
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SuStel
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