<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 7:43 PM, nIqolay Q <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com" target="_blank">niqolay0@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Ed Bailey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com" target="_blank">bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com</a><wbr>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Very interesting indeed, Aurélie! "Monger" certainly had not occurred to me. {joS bopwI'} seems like it would be best translated as "rumor monger." A {veS bopwI'}, though, seems like someone devoted to soldiering, rather than a warmonger (probably {noH numwI'} for that, but with no negative connotation for Klingons), and I'd call a fishmonger a {ghotI' ngevwI'}. (As an aside, I've heard someone use {bop'egh} in reference to a narcissist or someone preoccupied with his self-interest.)<br></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div><br>I don't think Aurelie was suggesting "monger" as a translation of
{bopwI'}, but rather as an example of an English word that needs another
noun to make sense, like {bopwI'} would. The best way to translate "rumor monger" would probably just be {joSwI'}.<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>I took "monger" as a useful idea for understanding {bopwI'}, and it is, mainly for the reason you cite. Obviously it's not generally the best translation of {bopwI'}, but I like to take the ball and run with it. {bop} is a really interesting word.</div><div>Trying to understand {bopwI'}, an example popped into my head: jatlhchugh vay' <parmaqqaypu' bopwI'mey tIngu'!>, ghaytan paqmey bommey ghuQmey ghe'naQmey je tetlh ja' latlh.</div><div>BTW I'd just translate {joSwI'} as "a gossip."<br></div><div>~mIp'av<br></div></div></div></div>