<div dir="ltr">As long as it's listing steps, it works for all the numbers, as that's what ordinal numbers are for:<br><br>wa'DIch Soj vISop<div>cha'DIch HIq vItlhutlh</div><div>wejDIch jagh vIHIv</div><div>ghIq jIQong<br><br>First I eat the food<br>Second I drink the wine</div><div>Third I attack the enemy</div><div>Then I sleep<br><div><br></div><div>qurgh</div><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:19 AM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target="_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">lieven:</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><span class=""><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> Yes, indeed. Few lines later it says {ghIq Hegh qanjIt}. (PB p</span><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> 149.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div></span><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">For the noble reason of helping someone who may be reading this thread, and for the selfish reason of helping myself whenever I may read this again in the future, here is the relevant text:</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">wa'DIch Hegh moratlh</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">wej SuvwI' SuvtaHvIS</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">mongDaj DuQlu' 'ej Hegh</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">ghIq Hegh qanjIt</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">qeylIS retlhDaq Suv</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">wa' jagh HoHta' HeghtaHvIS</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.696px">The interesting thing here, is that we have {</span></font><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">ghIq Hegh qanjIt}, and not {cha'DIch Hegh qanjIt}.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">"First/at first/initially" {wa'DIch} happens whatever, and "then/subsequently" {ghIq} something also happens.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">So, from this, it is clear that {wa'DIch} can be used in the sense of "</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">first/at first/initially etc".</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">qunnoq</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 24, 2017 2:40 PM, "Lieven" <<a href="mailto:levinius@gmx.de" target="_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 23.08.2017 um 17:02 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:<br>
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> 2) may' bI'reS bejtaHvIS mon.<br>
> «First, he watches the battle smiling.»<br>
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This is even more confusing. If the {bI'reS} here was meant to be a timestamp, then the klingon sentence should be {bI'reS may' bejtaHvIS mon}. Let alone the fact, that even in this case, without the punctuation we would have the ambiguities discussed at the "First, Molor taunts Kahless" sentence.<br>
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No, not neccessary. You can see {may' bI'reS} as the time stamp: "At the beginning of the battle, he watches smiling". WHat I think was that it says "He smiles while watching the bgining of the battle" - and it's the english which does not fit perfectly.<br>
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I can't understand this sentence at all. All I get is "First, part of the head.."<br>
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It's literally "the head part". It's not a sentence, but a listing, talking about connecting body parts in some ritual. You understand when you see the following lines:<br>
wa'DIch nach 'ay'<br>
cha'DIch ghIv 'ay'<br>
wejDIch burgh 'ay'<br>
loSDIch bIng 'ay'<br>
vaghDIch Dung 'ay'<br>
[...] PB, / p. 102<br>
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> 5) wa'DIch Hegh moratlh.<br>
> «First, Morath fell.»<br>
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I could understand this being the use of {wa'DIch} as a timestamp, as long as this sentence isn't the first of a group of sentences where numbering takes place (is it ?). <br>
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Yes, indeed. Few lines later it says {ghIq Hegh qanjIt}. (PB p 149.)<br>
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