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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/24/2017 6:38 AM, Lieven wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:f841d721-53a0-497c-104a-e6136e92b0a2@gmx.de"><br>
One other thing that came to my mind: if you add "that" to the
english phrase (it is true <i class="moz-txt-slash"><span
class="moz-txt-tag">/</span>that<span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span></i>...)
I began to think about using the verb {teH} to say "it is true
that..." like {Sopta' 'e' teH}. But that does not work; we know
that {'e'} is used with verbs of thinking or observation like
"see", "know" etc. I'm sure {teH} is not one of that kind, so that
does not work. (although it would nice to have)</blockquote>
<p>More importantly, <b>'e'</b> has to be the object of a verb, and
<b>teH</b> does not take an object without a <b>-moH</b> attached
to it.</p>
<p>The advice in <i>The Klingon Dictionary</i> that
sentences-as-object primarily use verbs of thinking and
observation as their second verbs must be taken with a grain of
salt. We have tons of examples of sentences-as-object that don't
follow that advice. For example, I count nine uses of
sentence-as-object in <i>The Klingon Way</i> (not counting
multiple instances in the same saying), and of these only two
could be said to be remotely about thinking (<b>tul</b> and <b>Hech</b>)
and one about observation (<b>Qoy</b>). Maybe you could argue that
<b>wIv</b> represents thinking about a choice, and maybe you could
argue that <b>tIv</b> is about thinking of enjoyment, but we're
opening up the meaning of "thinking or observation" pretty widely,
and we still have the verbs <b>chaw', mev,</b> and <b>baj</b> to
consider.</p>
<p>I don't think Okrand has had that particular bit of advice in
mind when crafting sentence-as-object constructions subsequent to
<i>TKD</i>. I think it's more important simply to keep the
second-sentence concept relatively simple. Don't try fancy tricks
with these sentences. If you get to a point where you're not sure
if you <i>can</i> do something, you probably shouldn't.<br>
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