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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Your original subject line is “Sentence as object using <b>‘oH</b>.”</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Your original sentence, without <b>‘e’,</b> is not correct. In the <b>A pro B’e’ </b>construction, A and B are nouns or noun phrases, not sentences.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The proposed version with <b>‘e’ </b>might be technically correct, but I have a hard time believing Klingons use verb-acting pronouns in sentence-as-object constructions. The final verb in an SAO should generally be something simple and unexceptional.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>SuStel<br>http://trimboli.name</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mayqel qunenoS</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, August 22, 2017 9:27 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Sentence as object using {'oH}</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>SuStel:</p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>> Why are you twisting in knots trying to use a sentence as </span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>> object with a pronoun?</span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I'm not trying to use a sentence as object with a pronoun. I'm trying however to understand what is right and what is wrong.</span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The initial sentence of the thread, the {chabHommeylIj Sopta' vIghro'wIj 'oH vIt'e'}, was written by me, and I posted here because I was wondering (and still am), with regards to whether it is a valid/correct sentence.</span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The second sentence, the {chabHommeylIj Sopta' vIghro'wIj 'e' 'oH vIt'e'}, was written by Antony Appleyard and I asked because I was wondering (and still am), whether it is correct.</span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I'm not trying to create new rules, or extract new rules from the existing ones, but if I don't ask then I will never learn.</span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>qunnoq</span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Aug 22, 2017 3:54 PM, "SuStel" <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Why are you twisting in knots trying to use a sentence as object with a pronoun?</p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> </p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>chabHommeylIj Sopbejta' vIghro'wIj</p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#888888'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#888888'>-- <br>SuStel<br><a href="http://trimboli.name" target="_blank">http://trimboli.name</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#888888'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:#888888'>From: </span></b><span style='color:#888888'><a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target="_blank">mayqel qunenoS</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, August 22, 2017 8:00 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org" target="_blank">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Sentence as object using {'oH}<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> </p><div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>De'vID:</p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>> What is the object of {'oH}?</p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> </p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I think it is the sentence which precedes it. I think it is the {chabHommeylIj Sopta' vIghro'wIj}.</p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> </p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Antony Appleyard:</p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>> {chabHommeylIj Sopta' vIghro'wIj 'e' 'oH vIt'e'}</span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> </p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Is {chabHommeylIj Sopta' vIghro'wIj 'e' 'oH vIt'e'} correct ?</span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> </p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>qunnoq</span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> </p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>tlhIngan-Hol mailing list<br><a href="mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org">tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org" target="_blank">http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org</a></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>