<div dir="auto">SuStel:<div dir="auto">> <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Your original subject line is “Sentence as object using </span><b style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">‘oH</b><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">.”</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Yes it is, but that's because the original sentence of the thread seemed to me as "a sentence as object using {'oH}"; not because I was trying to bend the rules, so as to create a sao with an {'oH}, instead of {'e'}.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Anyway, thanks for answering and clarifying this matter.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">SuStel, reH choQaHmo' qatlho', 'ej tlho'wIj Daghaj.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">qunnoq</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 22, 2017 5:23 PM, "SuStel" <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="#954F72"><div class="m_-8440750637174287016WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Your original subject line is “Sentence as object using <b>‘oH</b>.”</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Your original sentence, without <b>‘e’,</b> is not correct. In the <b>A pro B’e’ </b>construction, A and B are nouns or noun phrases, not sentences.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The proposed version with <b>‘e’ </b>might be technically correct, but I have a hard time believing Klingons use verb-acting pronouns in sentence-as-object constructions. The final verb in an SAO should generally be something simple and unexceptional.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">-- <br>SuStel<br><a href="http://trimboli.name" target="_blank">http://trimboli.name</a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target="_blank">mayqel qunenoS</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, August 22, 2017 9:27 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org" target="_blank">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Sentence as object using {'oH}</p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">SuStel:</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> Why are you twisting in knots trying to use a sentence as </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> object with a pronoun?</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I'm not trying to use a sentence as object with a pronoun. I'm trying however to understand what is right and what is wrong.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The initial sentence of the thread, the {chabHommeylIj Sopta' vIghro'wIj 'oH vIt'e'}, was written by me, and I posted here because I was wondering (and still am), with regards to whether it is a valid/correct sentence.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The second sentence, the {chabHommeylIj Sopta' vIghro'wIj 'e' 'oH vIt'e'}, was written by Antony Appleyard and I asked because I was wondering (and still am), whether it is correct.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I'm not trying to create new rules, or extract new rules from the existing ones, but if I don't ask then I will never learn.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">qunnoq</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 22, 2017 3:54 PM, "SuStel" <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Why are you twisting in knots trying to use a sentence as object with a pronoun?</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">chabHommeylIj Sopbejta' vIghro'wIj</p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">-- <br>SuStel<br><a href="http://trimboli.name" target="_blank">http://trimboli.name</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#888888">From: </span></b><span style="color:#888888"><a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target="_blank">mayqel qunenoS</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, August 22, 2017 8:00 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org" target="_blank">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Sentence as object using {'oH}<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">De'vID:</p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">> What is the object of {'oH}?</p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I think it is the sentence which precedes it. I think it is the {chabHommeylIj Sopta' vIghro'wIj}.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Antony Appleyard:</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> {chabHommeylIj Sopta' vIghro'wIj 'e' 'oH vIt'e'}</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Is {chabHommeylIj Sopta' vIghro'wIj 'e' 'oH vIt'e'} correct ?</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">qunnoq</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>tlhIngan-Hol mailing list<br><a href="mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org" target="_blank">tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org" target="_blank">http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.<wbr>cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org</a></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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