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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/15/2017 10:32 AM, De'vID wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On 15 August 2017 at 16:26, mayqel qunenoS <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><mihkoun@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">As I understand the adverbial use of {je}, as it is described in tkd, and as
nIqolay Q explained, we need to have the same verb, repeated twice.
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<pre wrap="">nuqjatlh? Where does it say the same verb has to be repeated twice?
The example in TKD is {qaleghpu' je}. There's no repetition of {legh}.</pre>
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<p>There is an implied repetition. You don't use <b>je</b> on a
verb without context (which TKD mentions explicitly for once).
Inherent in the idea of <b>je</b> is the notion that there is
some other thing that was previously said to which the <b>je</b>
is referring.</p>
<p><b>je</b> used with verbs REMAINS A NOUN CONJUNCTION. You are
conjoining the nouns present in either the object positions of the
verbs or the subject positions of the verbs.<i> I AND others saw
you</i> or <i>I saw you AND others.</i> Let's suppose a full
context like so:</p>
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<p><b>latlh vIleghpu'; SoH qaleghpu' je<br>
</b><i>I saw others; I also saw you = I saw you and others</i></p>
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<p>This is equivalent to:</p>
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<p><b>latlh SoH je Saleghpu'<br>
</b><i>I saw you and others</i></p>
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<p>The other interpretation of <b>qaleghpu' je</b> goes like this:</p>
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<p><b>SoH nIleghpu' latlh; SoH qaleghpu' jIH je<br>
</b><i>others saw you; I saw you too = I and others saw you</i></p>
<p><b>SoH pIleghpu' latlh jIH je<br>
</b><i>I and others saw you</i></p>
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<p>So to reiterate: <b>je</b> is a NOUN CONJUNCTION being placed
after a verb to conjoin one of the nouns of that verb with the
equivalently positioned noun in another verb.</p>
<p>Now, TKD doesn't explicitly say that the verbs have to be
identical, but that's a pretty safe bet considering what it means.
But then we get the SkyBox card with</p>
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<p><b>ghop luQan tajHommey. pe'laH je.</b></p>
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<p>What nouns are being conjoined here? None that I can see; the
subject <b>tajHommey</b> seems to be carried over to the next
verb: <b>pe'laH je </b><i>they </i><i>[the small blades] can
also cut.</i> Here, <b>je</b> is functioning identically to the
sentence conjunction <b>'ej:</b> <b>ghop luQan tajHommey 'ej
pe'laH</b><i> the small blades protect the hand and they can
cut.</i></p>
<p>It is my opinion that this sentence is in error due to the casual
way in which we English speakers toss around the word <i>also. </i>Okrand
was thinking, <b>je</b> = <i>also,</i> even though the <i>also</i>
he was thinking of was the <b>'ej</b> variety. Doubtless he could
come up with some justification for this text, but so far he
hasn't, and it appears to be a simple error.<br>
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