<div dir="auto">So, to summarize..<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">{juH vIjaH} "I go to the house" = correct</div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">{juHDaq vIjaH} "I go to the house" = correct but redundant</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">{juHvo' jIjaH} "I go away from the house" = correct</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">{</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif">juHvo' vIjaH} "I go away from the house" = awkward and maybe wrong/problematic.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">Right ?</font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">qunnoq jan puqloD</font></div><br><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 Aug 2017 5:37 pm, "SuStel" <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_-7040878814741614706moz-cite-prefix">On 8/9/2017 10:18 AM, Aurélie
Demonchaux wrote:<br>
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<p style="font-size:12.8px"><b>juHDaq vIjaH</b> is considered
redundant because the object of <b>jaH</b> inherently includes
a locative sense. Anything you <b>jaH</b> is something you're <b>jaH</b>-ing <i>to.</i></p>
<p style="font-size:12.8px">There is no inherent "away from"
sense to <b>jaH,</b> so <b>juHvo' vIjaH</b> is probably an
awkward phrase, if not downright disallowed.</p>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">On the
other hand, the Klingon Dictionary uses the below examples:</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px">{pa'Daq
yIjaH} <Go to the room.> (section 3.3.5., p27)</span><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px">{pa'vo'
yIjaH} <Leave the room!> (</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">section 3.3.5., p28)</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px">{jolpa'Daq
yIjaH} <Go to the transport room!> (section 7.1, p73)</span><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px">So it
seems ok and cannon to use -Daq and -vo' suffixes along with
<jaH>.</span></div>
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</div><p>I didn't say it wasn't. Specifically, I said that a <b>-vo'</b>
noun <i>as the object of</i> <b>jaH</b> might not work (and only
might). I didn't say anything about a <b>-vo'</b> noun that isn't
the object of <b>jaH.</b> In the TKD example above, you can't
tell whether <b>pa'vo' yIjaH</b> has <b>pa'vo'</b> as the object
of <b>jaH</b> or as a syntactic noun at the beginning.</p>
<p>Also, Okrand has revised his use of <b>-Daq</b> a little since
TKD came out. For instance, in PK (before the <i>HolQeD </i>article
where he talks about verbs of motion) he says <b>naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq
majaHlaH'a'</b><i> can we get to the Great Hall from here?</i>
According to the <i>HolQeD</i> interview, that should mean <i>can
we, in the Great Hall, go from here?</i></p>
<p>When Okrand revises the rules, I see that as invoking the
statement in TKD's introduction that warns that the grammar is
only a poorly understood sketch.</p>
<p>So the validity of those examples in TKD to verify this point
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