<div dir="ltr">SuStel:<div>> <span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">connotes negative quality</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">> </span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">(connotes disparagement, seldom used)</span></div><div><br></div><div>What is the difference between "<span style="font-size:12.8px">connotes negative quality" and "</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">connotes disparagement" ? </span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">I googled disparagement, (because I didn't know its meaning), and I got the synonyms of "devaluation, debasement, derogation".</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">The way I understand the </span>"<span style="font-size:12.8px">connotes negative quality" and "</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">connotes disparagement", with regards to the matter we are discussing is: </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">If I want to say that the qagh is as dead as a stone (which is a negative quality) then I use {</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">A Q </span><b style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">puS</b><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"> B Q </span><b style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">puS}. </b><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">But if I want to say that the forehead of someone's mother is smooth as a peach, and I want the phrase to have the maximum insulting effect, then I will use {</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">A Q </span><b style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">puS</b><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"> B Q </span><b style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">rap}. </b><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">And maybe, in the qagh example, if I want to insult the chef who ccoked it, I will use again </span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">{</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">A Q </span><b style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">puS</b><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"> B Q </span><b style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">rap} </b><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">instead of the </span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">{</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">A Q </span><b style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">puS</b><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"> B Q </span><b style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">puS</b><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">}</span><b style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">. </b><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Or is it that the "disparagement" concerns only the occupant of slot A, and not those in direct relation to him as well ?</span></div><div><b style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br></b></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Am I right ?</span><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">SuStel:</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">> </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">If the positive antonym is used in place of </span><b style="font-size:12.8px">law'</b><span style="font-size:12.8px"> and the negative in place of </span><b style="font-size:12.8px">puS,</b><span style="font-size:12.8px"> you get the same </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">> meaning as the standard </span><b style="font-size:12.8px">law'/puS.</b><span style="font-size:12.8px"> If the order is reversed, you get </span><i style="font-size:12.8px">A is less Q than B.</i><span style="font-size:12.8px"> The reversed </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">> version is seldom used. Okrand does not give any examples of doing this with </span><b style="font-size:12.8px">Hoch</b><span style="font-size:12.8px"> in the B slot, but </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">> he says it can be done.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">You mean that what 'oqranD says that can be done, is in an antonym construction placing the {Hoch} in the A slot, thus having that "all are less than.." ?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">..and finally</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">As far as the intentional ungrammaticality of the law' puS construction, as it is described in kgt is concerned.. Is someone allowed to make use of it regularly, or is it only to be used under special circumstances ?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">qunnoq</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Lawrence M. Schoen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:klingonguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">klingonguy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">This is a great summary. It belongs on one of the new (and forthcoming) KLI Trading Cards.</div><span class=""><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 9:54 AM SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Here are the variants of <b>law'/puS</b> and other comparatives
we've gotten over the years.<br>
</p>
<p>A Q <b>law'</b> B Q <b>puS<br>
</b><i>A is more Q than B</i></p>
<p>A Q <b>law' Hoch</b> Q <b>puS<br>
</b><i>A is the most Q of all</i></p>
<p>Q A;<b> rap</b> B<br>
<i>B is as Q as A</i></p>
<p>Q A; <b>nIb</b> B<br>
<i>B is as Q as A</i> (connotes precision)</p>
<p>A Q <b>law'</b> B Q <b>rap<br>
</b><i>A is as Q as B</i></p>
<p>A Q <b>puS</b> B Q <b>rap<br>
</b><i>A is as Q as B </i>(connotes disparagement, seldom used)</p>
<p>A Q <b>law'</b> B Q <b>nIb<br>
</b><i>A is as Q as B</i> (connotes precision)</p>
<p>A Q <b>law'</b> B Q <b>law'<br>
</b><i>A is as Q as B </i>(connotes positive quality)</p>
<p>A Q <b>puS</b> B Q <b>puS<br>
</b><i>A is as Q as B</i> (connotes negative quality)</p>
<p>A Q <b>law'</b> B Q <b>pIm<br>
</b><i>A's Q is different than B's Q<b> </b></i>(does not imply
that one is more Q than the other, only that their Qs are
different)<br>
</p>
<p>A Q <b>law'be'</b> B Q <b>puSbe'</b><br>
<i>A is not more Q than B</i></p></div>
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