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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/31/2017 11:20 AM, mayqel qunenoS
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<pre wrap="">SuStel:
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<pre wrap="">Sometimes it is speculated that you need a subject if the purpose clause attaches to a
sentence instead of a noun
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<pre wrap="">Because grammar terms confuse me, could you write an example of this ?</pre>
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<p>I already did. The noun phrase <b>ghojmeH taj</b> is a purpose
clause, <b>ghojmeH,</b> attached to a head noun, <b>taj. taj</b>
is not the subject of <b>ghojmeH;</b> the knife does not learn
anything. It's not an <i>in order that he/she learns knife;</i>
it's a <i>knife for learning.</i> There is no subject. It's not
an indefinite subject because there's no <b>-lu';</b> there is
simply no subject. This is an infinitive, or as close to an
infinitive as Klingon gets.</p>
<p>An even more interesting example is <b>ja'chuqmeH rojHom</b> <i>truce
(in order) to confer.</i> The purpose clause has a suffixes that
says the subject is a plural entity whose constituents do
something to each other, but there is no subject in the phrase.
There <i>might</i> be people ready to confer during a truce, but
the phrase doesn't say that.</p>
<p>Or take the simple <b>vutmeH 'un</b><i> pot for preparing food.</i>
The pot is a pot for preparing food whether or not there is
someone about to prepare food in it. <b>vutmeH</b> has no
subject, implied or otherwise.</p>
<p>But there are tons of examples where a purpose clause, attached
to a sentence instead of a noun, gets prefixes and suffixes and a
subject. <b>Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam</b> is a well-known one. Or <b>cha'puj
vIngevmeH chaw' HInobneS,</b> which even has an object.</p>
<p>Given that the distinction seems to be "infinitive" for nouns and
"finite" for sentences, I probably should have written <b>jatlhqu'lu'meH.</b>
*shrug*<br>
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