<div dir="ltr">I'm sad that Rebecca has left the group because they perceived this message from Maltz to be a lecture about Klingon heteronormativity. I can see how the message might seem that way: indeed, Maltz/Marc has given us information about historical Klingon views on the subject of marriage which (as has been shown above in this thread) match some heteronormative views that some earthlings have held and do hold.<br><br>My take away from the message is that Marc O is doing a great job of grounding some new terms in a sense of history--as he is generally so good at doing! Yes, MO tells us some information about a complimentarian, heteronormative viewpoint on Qo'noS... but *then* he goes on to show how those viewpoints are being expanded, forgotten, disregarded, or upended by novel uses of Saw/nay and tlhogh. Personally I find this much more interesting than what could have just been some new words, randomly generated, for the topics.<div><br></div><div>So, as a gay and sometimes gender non-conforming Klingon speaker, I read this as MO very thoughtfully responding to requests from within the community for expanded terminology. I also happen to know (as he stated publically at last qep'a') that he is working on vocabulary regarding gender non-conformity and intersex individuals among other things. In fact I'd like to highlight how, at the time, MO stated that he had not rushed to produce those words before qep'a' cha'maH wejDIch because he wanted to approach the topics with care and clarity.<br><br>I hope that with the context I've just described people will read this message from Maltz as I do: positively.</div><div><br></div><div>'arHa</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#808080" face="Arial, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.6667px"><br>--<br><br><a href="http://www.socialistalternative.org/" target="_blank">Socialist Alternative</a></span></font><div><font color="#808080" face="Arial, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.6667px"><a href="http://www.kli.org/" target="_blank">Klingon Language Institute</a></span></font></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Lieven <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:levinius@gmx.de" target="_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">Am 17.07.2017 um 10:40 schrieb De'vID:<br>
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