<div dir="auto">maj.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Now, I understand your reasons for the specific placement of {-be'}. However let me ask you..</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If instead of {SoHtaHbe'chugh} we wrote {SoHbe'taHchugh}, and if instead of {vIta'pu'be'} we wrote {vIta'be'pu'}..</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1. Would you accept these choices as equally correct ?</div><div dir="auto">2. Meaning-wise, would you find that they are any different ?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">qunnoq</div><br><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 Jul 2017 6:38 pm, "SuStel" <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_-692706791301221770moz-cite-prefix">On 7/6/2017 11:27 AM, mayqel qunenoS
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<blockquote type="cite">SuStel:
<div dir="auto">> <b style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">pa'
SoHtaHbe'chugh vaj meyrI' SoH</b></div>
<i style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">if you are
not there then you are a square</i>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">The placement
of {-be'} confuses me. If we choose to place it after the
{-taH} then doesn't the meaning become "If you aren't there
continuously" ?</span><i style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br>
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<div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">Perhaps this is indeed the
intented meaning, the speaker trying to say "if you aren't
continuously there, then..".</font></div>
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<div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">But wouldn't you accept,
as a more literal way of saying "If you aren't there.." the
{pa' SoHbe'taHchugh..} ?</font></div>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">The only
reasoning I see for placing the {-be'} after the {-taH}, is if
we consider (because of the {pa'}) the {SoHtaH} as an "unable
to be separated pair of words", thus leaving as an only option
the placement of the {-be'} after it.</span></div>
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</div><p>Since we've gotten some examples of it, I believe <b>-be'</b>
doesn't necessarily negate only the single, immediately preceding
element, but it can refer to the entire preceding concept,
especially for suffixes that aren't typically negated. So what I
said was meant as <b>[SoHtaH]be'chugh</b> instead of <b>SoH[taH]be'chugh.</b></p>
<p>A canonical example of this is from <i>Power Klingon:</i> <b>Hoch
DaSopbe'chugh batlh bIHeghbe'</b><i> if you don't eat everything
you will die without honor.</i> Clearly, <b>-be'</b> here is
referring to the entire phrase <b>batlh bIHegh</b> and not just
the <b>Hegh.</b></p>
<p>Another example from <i>Conversational </i><i>Klingon</i> is <b>vIta'pu'be'</b><i>
I didn't do it.</i> This doesn't mean I did it in a
non-perfective way; the entire verb before the <b>-be'</b> is
being negated as a unit.<font color="#888888"><br>
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