<div dir="ltr">It seems that Okrand switches back and forth on this one. In TKD he clearly defines them as two sentences and repeats that convention multiple times throughout that section:<br><br>"Klingon has two special pronouns, 'e' and net, which refer to the <b>previous sentence</b> as a whole"<br><br>"What is a single sentence in English is often<b> two sentences</b> in Klingon."<br><br>"This sentence is actually<b> two</b>:"<div><br></div><div>"The pronoun 'e' refers to the <b>previous sentence</b>, We kill prisoners."</div><div><br></div><div>"The<b> two sentences</b> here are:"</div><div><br></div><div>"The past tense of the translation (I saw...) comes from the verb in the<b> first sentence</b>"<br><br>"When the verb of the <b>second sentence</b>"<br><br>"the<b> first sentence</b> here is qama'pu' DIHoH"<br><br>"The <b>second sentence</b> is net Sov"<br><br>"When the verb of the <b>second sentence</b> is neH"<br><br>Maybe it's a "complex sentence" made of "two sentences", so ultimately both points of view would be true. I can try to remember to ask Okrand about this at the qep'a'.</div><div><br></div><div>qurgh<br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:22 PM, SuStel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I was thinking back to a previous argument about whether a
sentence-as-object construction can itself be considered a
"sentence" for when a rule in Klingon works on sentences. I went
through some old text by Okrand and found this message: <br>
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<p>(1) You suggested translating "Do you think it's possible for a
Klingon to feel love for a Ferengi?" as:<br>
verenganvaD bang HotmeH tlhIngan qIt 'e' DaQub'a'?<br>
The end of the sentence is fine. The correct way to say "Do you
think that...?" is ... 'e' DaQub'a'? ('e' is "that," referring
to something that precedes it in the sentence or in the
discussion; DaQub'a' is "do you think it?").</p>
<p><a class="m_-1493055644295178754moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://klingonska.org/canon/search/?file=1996-12-12b-news.txt&q=sentence" target="_blank">http://klingonska.org/canon/<wbr>search/?file=1996-12-12b-news.<wbr>txt&q=sentence</a><br>
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<p><b>'e' DaQub'a'</b> is here referred to by Okrand as "the end of
the sentence," and <b>'e'</b> refers to "something that precedes
it in the sentence or in the discussion." We know <b>'e'</b>
refers to the previous "sentence" of the construction, so the
"sentence" that Okrand is referring to must be the entire
construction. Okrand later refers to the entire construction as a
sentence again.</p>
<p>In another post, Okrand gave the sentence <b>tlhIngan Hol
Dajatlh 'e' vISIv</b> <i>I wonder if you speak Klingon.</i> He
goes on to say</p>
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<p>In English, this means something like "I'm surprised that you
speak Klingon" or "I don't understand how it can be that you
speak Klingon," but this is not what the Klingon sentence
means. The Klingon sentence means something more like "I am
curious about whether you speak Klingon."</p>
<p><a class="m_-1493055644295178754moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://klingonska.org/canon/search/?file=1997-07-01-news.txt&q=sentence" target="_blank">http://klingonska.org/canon/<wbr>search/?file=1997-07-01-news.<wbr>txt&q=sentence</a></p>
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<p>Again, he has called the entire thing a sentence. He then refers
to "such sentences": "One other verb that can be used in the V
slot in such sentences is Hon 'doubt'" (the "V slot" is the second
sentence). Then he goes whole hog and talks about sentences within
sentences: "I'll return on another occasion to the question of
whether the sentence preceding the 'e' in such sentences can be a
question."</p>
<p>I haven't done a complete search, but I feel pretty confident
that we can think of SAOs as sentences. They are "complex
sentences," as named in the parent section of SAOs in TKD. Exactly
how complicated the second sub-sentence is supposed to be and the
exact placement of adverbials and dependent clauses might still be
imperfectly resolved, of course.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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