<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14359">It also could be that Maltz isn't a metallurgist, and just gave us what he understood as the general term, not realizing there were distinctions.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14367"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14368">ter'eS<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14324"><span></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14323"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14374" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14373"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14372"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14371"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14370" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14369" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se><br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14405"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14404">To:</span></b> "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org> <br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14403"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14402">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:21 PM<br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14401"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14400">Subject:</span></b> Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: jey' Sorpuq<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14392"><br><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14393">Presumably, "bronze" is only an approximate translation of {jey' Sorpuq}, and vice versa, as there are some forms of bronze which do not include tin (and, at least in theory, some copper-bronze alloys which are not bronzes).<br clear="none">A historically notable example is arsenical bronze. Arguably, translating "the Bronze Age" as {jey' Sorpuq bov} would be inaccurate, because it seems that arsenical bronze deserves nearly as much credit as tin bronze.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">That being said, it could also be an example of a pars pro toto synecdoche, where something large (the set of all bronzes) is named for a particular example or subset (the set of tin bronzes).<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pars_pro_toto" target="_blank" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14394">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pars_pro_toto</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">________________________________________<br clear="none">From: tlhIngan-Hol <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org" href="mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14399">tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org</a>> on behalf of Steven Boozer <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" href="mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>><br clear="none">Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 17:28<br clear="none">To: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org" href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492546280721_14395">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: jey' Sorpuq<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, April 18, 2017<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Klingon word: jey' Sorpuq<br clear="none">> Part of speech: noun<br clear="none">> Definition: bronze<br clear="none">> Source: qepHom 2016<br clear="none"><br clear="none">jey' tin (n)<br clear="none">Sorpuq copper (n)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">COMPARE:<br clear="none">'uSqan iron (n)<br clear="none"> ghav 'uSqan steel (n)<br clear="none"> velSo' 'uSqan stainless steel (n)<br clear="none">ghav carbon (n)<br clear="none">velSo' chromium (n)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">SEE ALSO:<br clear="none">Qu cast (metal) (v)<br clear="none">QumeH ngaSwI' mold (for casting) (n)<br clear="none">baS metal (n)<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">--<br clear="none">Voragh<br clear="none">tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'<br clear="none">Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">tlhIngan-Hol mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org" href="mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org">tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org" target="_blank">http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org</a><div class="yqt7774339756" id="yqtfd01332"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">tlhIngan-Hol mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org" href="mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org">tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org" target="_blank">http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org</a><br clear="none"></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>