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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/17/2017 10:33 AM, Terrence
Donnelly wrote:<br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492438444463_10491">This always
gives me so much trouble! Let me see if I've got this right. <br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492438444463_10494"><br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492438444463_10493">So far as a
{lor} is concerned, can you distill it down to the rule that
the {lor} is the child of an opposite-sex sibling? <br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492438444463_10511">your mother's
brother has a {lor}, your father's sister has a {lor}, <br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492438444463_10542">if you are a
male, your sister has a {lor}, if you are female, your brother
has a {lor}? <br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492438444463_10561">This applies to
children of the siblings of you or your parents.<br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492438444463_10509">(And {tey'} is
used for the children of same-sex siblings).</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492438444463_10478">Correct?</div>
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<p>There are two words related to your father's family: <b>tennuS</b>
<i>father's brother</i> and <b>'e'mam</b><i> father's sister.</i>
The first refers to men; the second to women. The spouses of these
get the same words with <b>-nal</b> suffixed to them, keeping the
maleness and femaleness appropriate: your <b>tennuS</b>'s wife is
your <b>'e'mamnal,</b> while your <b>'e'mam</b>'s husband is
your <b>tennuSnal.</b></p>
<p>There are two words related to your mother's family: <b>'IrneH</b><i>
mother's brother</i> and <b>me'</b><i> mother's sister.<b> </b></i>The
first refers to men; the second to women. The spouses of these get
the same words with <b>-nal</b> suffixed to them, keeping the
maleness and femaleness appropriate: your <b>'IrneH</b>'s wife is
your <b>me'nal,</b> while your <b>me'</b>'s husband is your <b>'IrneHnal.</b></p>
<p>The child of one of your parents' opposite-sex siblings (either <b>'e'mam</b>
or <b>'IrneH</b>) is your <b>lor;</b> the child of one of your
parents' same-sex siblings (either <b>tennuS</b> or <b>me'</b>)
is your <b>tey'.</b> Both <b>lor</b> and <b>tey'</b> can
specify whether they are male or female by adding <b>loD</b> or <b>be'</b>.</p>
<p>But <b>lor</b> and <b>tey'</b> also refer to nieces and
nephews. <b>lor</b> means the child of your sibling the opposite
sex as you; <b>tey'</b> means the child of your sibling the same
sex as you. They can still take <b>loD</b> and <b>be'</b> to
distinguish their sexes.</p>
<p>To distinguish between aunts/uncles and nieces/nephews, just
explain the relationship (e.g., <b>loDnI' puq</b>). You normally
do not distinguish if the information is not important.</p>
<p>A group of <b>lor</b> and <b>tey'</b> are <b>vInpu';</b> the
singular <b>vIn</b> is only used to refer to an individual in a
group of <b>vInpu'.</b></p>
<p>A more distant uncle/aunt/niece/nephew relation is generally
called a <b>yur.</b> A group of <b>yurpu' </b>might include
some <b>lor</b> or <b>tey',</b> but you wouldn't use <b>yurpu'</b>
if the group consisted <i>only</i> of <b>lor</b> and <b>tey'.</b></p>
<p><b>'e'nal</b> is someone married into the family whose
relationship isn't specified.</p>
<p>So to summarize:</p>
<p>Your father's family uses the words <b>tennuS</b> and <b>'e'mam.</b>
Your mother's family uses the words <b>'IrneH</b> and <b>me'.</b>
<b>lor</b> are traced through opposite-sex siblings; <b>tey'</b>
are traced through same-sex siblings. <b>vInpu'</b> are a group
of <b>lor</b> and <b>tey'.</b> A <b>yur</b> is a more distant
relation through siblings. An <b>'e'nal</b> married into the
family but doesn't say to whom.<br>
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