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ghItlhpu' SuStel, jatlh:</p>
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> A kiss is not a bite. People saying <b>chop</b> as an equivalent to <i>kiss</i> drive me crazy.</p>
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Though it's of course not a one-to-one equivalent, Marc was the one who first used it.</p>
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<b>HIchop, bang.</b></p>
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"Give us a kiss, love." (<i>Radio Times</i>)</p>
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Clearly it's a rendition of the cultural meaning rather than the physical action, but it does show that Klingons probably don't kiss as a sign of romantic affection.</p>
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<div>taH:</div>
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<p>> I don't like hearing fan over-generalizations of what they've seen on screen to</p>
<p>> every aspect of a Klingon's life.</p>
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<p>Please don't assume my motivations.</p>
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<p>taH:</p>
<p>> There was a great cover of <i>HolQeD,</i> my favorite cover, showing a Klingon man</p>
<p>> holding a Klingon baby very close and looking down at it tenderly. Go ahead and</p>
<p>> tell me that no Klingon would ever do that, or that no Klingon doing that would</p>
<p>> ever press their lips to the baby.</p>
<p>> Or is everyone thoughtlessly equating kissing with a sexual or romantic act?<br>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Firstly, yes, a Klingon might well press their lips to a baby - but I don't think a Klingon would press their lips to a baby
</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span><b style="font-size: 12pt;">in a regular and culturally constituted way that would justify developing a specific and dedicated verb for pressing their lips to something</b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> That's
the distinction</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">. The closest I'd get to agreeing with you here is that a Klingon would certainly nuzzle some part of their head to the baby's. And i</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">f anything, in this context I think
a Klingon would probably press their *forehead* to the baby. We do know from canon that the forehead is a potent symbol of heritage and of family for Klingons (KGT 28-29, and the curse
</span><b style="font-size: 12pt;">Hab SoSlI' Quch</b><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> "your mother has a smooth forehead" from PK</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">), and that festive occasions are times that bring warriors to butt foreheads to show camaraderie (KGT
157-158). And h</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">ave you ever seen the </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Inuit
<i>kunik</i></span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> or M</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">àori
<i>hongi</i>, methods of greeting and showing affection that are performed by pressing noses together rather than lips? The assumption that the lips are a unique and universal site of expressing even non-sexual physical affection is not just a human-centric,
but an ethnocentric one and one that, in the absence of any evidence, I don't believe we can fairly make about Klingons either</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">.</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Secondly, my discussion with naHQun was predicated on the fact that I happen to know they're doing a Klingon translation of the </span><i style="font-size: 12pt;">Kama
Sutra</i><span style="font-size: 12pt;">, and what I said was intended within that context. So *in that specific context*, yes, sexual, romantic, and physical were the primary topics at play, but it was not at all thoughtlessly and <span style="font-size: 12pt;">even
there I </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols;">certainly </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">didn't intend that to
be the only context within which the Klingon renditions <b>chop</b>, <b>rem</b>, and <b>wuS HotmoH</b> might be used, or indeed that any of those three were in some way interchangeable. Maybe Klingons have a verb for "kiss in platonic or familial affection"
that we don't know. But the <i>Radio Times</i> translation indicates that even if they do, they probably don't care for doing it in
<b>parmaq</b>.</span></span></p>
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