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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Speaking of semantic range… apart from {magh yotlh} “lawn”, {yotlh} was provided for “park (e.g. recreational)” at qepHom 2016 – whence we also learned {ghommeH
yotlh} “plaza, courtyard”. <br>
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These suggest to me Human (or should I say Klingon?) intervention: i.e. a managed, cultivated piece of land vs. the open {Hatlh} “country, countryside”. E.g.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="color:red"> Sepvetlh latlh DopDaq</span> <span style="color:red">
Hatlh lengtaHvIS qeylIS</span> <span style="color:red">lutlhej<br>
tlhInganpu' Hem mI' nIb</span> <br>
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an equal number of proud Klingons (PB)<br>
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<b><span style="color:#C00000">nIteb peghoS, HatlhDaq peleng</span> <br>
</b>to go their separate ways, And travel the lands. (PB)<b><o:p></o:p></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Beyond the {Sep} “region, country” lies the {Hatlh}.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">--Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On Behalf Of
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">ghItlhpu' Voragh, jatlh:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">> Actually qep’a’ 2016 produced something close to one of your desiderata:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">> magh Klingon plant that most closely resembles grass (n)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">> magh yotlh lawn (n)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> > So I would say *{magh tIq yotlh} “field of long grass” for grassland, steppe, prairie,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">> etc., though {Hatlh} might be better for open, uncultivated/unmanaged land.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Oh yes, I did know about those (and I'm grateful for your reminder of them!). I suppose I'm more thinking that we have {HuD} and {ngech} for hills and valleys, but for open flat
land like a steppe or plain or prairie, I wasn't sure if {yotlh} would be appropriate, since KGT seems to imply that it's a cultivated plot of land:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">"The verb {yob} ("harvest") is used to refer to gathering up plants or plant parts, whether from a field ({yotlh}) that has been sown or out in the wild." (KGT p.89)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I've been using {Hatlh} as a stopgap, but it'd be nice to know what the semantic range is on these words.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">QeS 'utlh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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