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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/20/2017 12:53 AM, Ed Bailey wrote:<br>
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<div>QeS, bIQIj 'e' DaQoy DaneHmo', choquvmoH.</div>
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<p><i>Because you want to hear that you explain...</i> I think you
meant <b>jIQIj.</b><br>
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<div> vaj vuDwIj vIQIjmeH vIvum 'e' Daqotlhbej.<br>
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<div>wa'DIch jIQIjbe', pIj Sojvam ngachlu'pu'mo' 'ej Sojvam
wuqlaHmo' marq 'oqranD neH. tagha' wuq marq 'oqranD 'e'
vIjInqu', jIjatlhpu'. wuqchugh, ramchoH Hoch latlh vuD.<br>
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jIQIjchoHpa', paghDIch mIw vIja'. taghwI' jIHtaHvIS,
jIngongmeH jIngong vIneH. Dayaj'a'? wotDaq DIpDaq je mojaqmey
vImutlh ngugh vIneH.<br>
naQjej rurmo' wot, ghantoH <chuH> vIlo'. vay''e'
chuHlu'bogh 'oSbej ?chuHlu'wI' 'e' SIbI' vItlhoj.</div>
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<p><b>vay'e' chuHlu'bogh 'oSbej *chuHlu'wI' SIbI' 'e' vItlhoj</b></p>
<p>or</p>
<p><b>SIbI' vay''e' chuHlu'bogh 'oHSbej *chuHlu'wI' 'e' vItlhoj</b><br>
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<div> lughqu'law', 'a wa'DIch DujwIj vIvoqmo' neH. meq
vIngu'laHbe'pu'.</div>
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<p>This is probably not a good place for <b>-pu'.</b> You're
describing your state of mind at a particular time, not a
completed event or state of mind. That state might be over now,
but in the narrative, it isn't. It's just what your state was.<br>
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<div> vay' vIHaDnISbogh vItu'pu'. <yIvoq 'ach yI'ol>,
qar'a'?<br>
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<div>cha' mojaqvam luDuDlu' 'e' tuch'a' TKD, ngugh 'e' vISIv.
TKD 3.2.2 vIlaDpu'. wotDaq <-wI'> chellu'DI', DIp moj
wot 'ej mu'tlheghDaq wotvam tlha'bogh DIp'e' 'oS DIpvam chu'
'e' QIj TKD. vaj chuHbogh vay' 'oS chuHwI'.<br>
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<div>Hoch QIjbe' TKD. DIp nap chenmoH wot <-wI'> je 'e'
nughojmoH TKD, 'ach <-wI'> latlh mojaq je ghajchugh wot,
qaSbogh wanI' 'angbe' TKD. 'a qay' <-lu'> neH 'e'
wIloylaH. ghu' le' 'oHba' wot'e' tlhejbogh <-lu'>.<br>
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nItebHa' qaSlaHbe' wot, <-lu'>, <-wI'> je lutob
mu'mey'e' lo'pu'bogh marq 'oqranD net Qub. TKD 3.2.2
qontaHvIS, ghu'vam qelbe'taH 'e' vIQub.<br>
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cha' meqmo' ghu' le' 'oH wot'e' tlhejbogh <-lu'>.<br>
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wot tlhejtaHvIS <-lu'>, mu'tlheghDaq wotvam tlha'laH
pagh DIp. meq wa'DIch'e' 'oH ngoDvam'e'.<br>
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wot tlha'bogh DIpvaD per vIHutlh. naQjej rurmo' wot, DIpvamvaD
<chuHwI' DIp> vIper. wot nungbogh DIpvaD <DoS DIp>
vIper.<br>
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wot tlhejtaHvIS <-lu'>, moHaq pIm poQ wotvam je. meq
cha'DIch 'oH ngoDvam'e'.<br>
DoS DIpvaD chuHwI' DIp DamoH rom chut.</div>
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<p>In English passive voice, this is true. <b>-lu'</b> is not
English passive voice. In Klingon, when <b>-lu'</b> is added, the
object remains the object.<br>
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<div> So'bogh DoS DIp chu' jal rom chut je,</div>
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<p><i>The rule of accord envisions a new, hidden target noun</i>?<br>
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<div> vaj DoS DIpvam chu'vaD <ghaH> <'oH> ghap<b> </b>qellaH
vay' 'e' ghet moHaq le' DIlo'bogh.</div>
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<p><b>lughet</b><br>
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<div> 'a potlhbe', mu'tlheghDaq DI'rujDaq ghap DoS DIpqoqvam
chu' tu'be'lu'mo'. wotvaD DoS DIp 'oHtaH nungbogh DIp'e'.
moHaqvaD chuHwI' DIp mojlaw' nungbogh DIp. ghu'vam vIqelmeH
DIvI' Hol qechmey /subject/ /object/ je, jImISqu'choH. 'ach
vuDlIj QIjmeH /subject/ /object/ je wuv SuStel. rarchu'be'
tlhIngan Hol, qechmeyvam je 'e' vIQub.<br>
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<div>ghu'vam le'mo', SuStel vuD vIHon. latlh meq vIghaj.
'oSlaHbe' wot'e' tlhejbogh <-lu'> <-wI'> je, 'eb
lonlu'pu' 'ej pagh chavlu'.</div>
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<p>Hoch 'eb jon Hol 'e' SaHbe' Hol.<br>
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<div> mu' chenmoHmeH mIw DuH lonlu'. vaj vay' chuHlu'bogh
'oSlaHbe' ?chuHlu'wI' 'ej cha' mu' DIlo'nIS. <vay'
chuHlu'bogh> vIlo'laH, 'a jIHvaD <?chuHlu'wI'> 'IH
law' <vay' chuHlu'bogh> 'IH puS, ngajmo' ?chuHlu'wI' 'ej
nItebHa' chang'eng luchenmoHmo' chuHwI' ?chuHlu'wI' je.
me'ghan poQ Hoch 'er'In.</div>
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<div>chaq Sov puS vIghaj 'ej chaq vulqangan meqmey rurbe' Hoch
meqmeywIj. Sov law' ghajbej SuStel, 'a vulqangan meqmey
lo'law' je. potlh Sov, 'a tlhIngan HolvaD muj vulqangan meqmey
'e' vIQub je.<br>
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<p>Doghqu' mu'tlheghmey vorgh. ngeb vulqangan tlhIngan je. Human
maH.<br>
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jagh QaHbe'nISlu' 'a vuDDaj meq qaq buSHa'law' SuStel.</div>
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<p>nuqjatlh? <i>SuStel seems to ignore his preferable opinion.</i><br>
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<div> wot tlhejbogh <-lu'> <-wI'> je ngaSbogh
mu'tlhegh naDpu''a' marq 'oqranD? ghobe' vIQub.</div>
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<p>Interesting sentence. Can one use an exclamation as the object of
a verb?<br>
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<div> chaq not wuqnIS, pagh chaq tu'qomvam par, pagh chaq latlh
meg ghaj.</div>
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<p>You've misspelled <b>meq</b> like a common convention
bag-seller!<br>
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<div> wa' 'eb jonmeH cha' 'eb lon neHbe' 'e' vItu'. Sojvam
wuqchugh, latlh 'eb lon chaq 'e' jal.<br>
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<div>vuDwIjvaD meq yap vI'ang 'e' vItul. 'a ram vuDwIj,
Qochchugh marq 'oqranD. 'e' vIlajchu'.</div>
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