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<p>jIghItlhpu' jIH, jIjatlhpu':</p>
<p>> <span>Also, I think you're a little confused on the Celtic "indefinite subject", which</span></p>
<p><span>> doesn't relate to the Klingon construction at all.</span><br>
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<p>mujangpu' Anthony, jatlh:<br>
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<p>> Sorry; by the impersonal / indefinite "r" I did not mean the Welsh for "the"</p>
<p>> (y, yr, 'r)</p>
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<p>Ah, my mistake. DopDaq qul yIchenmoH QobDI' ghu'.</p>
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<p>Still, the Irish impersonal construction doesn't help matters because it's not a passive either. In the impersonal in Irish, we still see that the object is not promoted to subject position. In the impersonal /cailleadh iad/ "someone lost them; they died",
for instance, it's the disjunctive, object form of the pronoun that's used - /iad/ - rather than the conjunctive, subject form /siad/ that would be expected if this were a genuine passive construction. It's a change in morphosyntactic orientation that makes
a distinction one of voice, not simply one of morphology.</p>
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<p>QeS 'utlh<br>
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