<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:36 PM, David Holt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenjutsuka@live.com" target="_blank">kenjutsuka@live.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I have a project I'm working on and I would like to figure out the most efficient way to elicit the image of rendered fat as a thing. Is {tlhag} the subject of {'Im} and thus {'Impu'wI'} might work? Or is {tlhag} the object of {'Im} and thus we might have
to go with the unwieldy {tlhagh 'Imlu'pu'bogh}? What about {-wI'} with {-lu'} - {'Imlu'pu'wI'}?</p>
<p>Jeremy</p></div></div></blockquote><div><div>Oh, boy, the {-lu'} plus {-wI'} thing again! I so wish MO would
finally rule on this, since it's immediately obvious to some this
combination nominalizes the same way as "-ee" in "employee," but others regard the construction as grammatical gibberish, and they seem to have convinced most to avoid using it. (I can't help but suspect
the difficulty with {-lu'} plus {-wI'} has a lot to do with a
programming background, since the objection is often phrased as "I can't
make that mean anything," which sounds a lot like a compiler error to
me.)<br><br></div><div>"Boil" can take an object or not, of course, but the online OED gives only transitive definitions for "render":<br><br><span class="gmail-ind">"Melt down (fat) in order to clarify it.</span><div class="exg"><div class="ex"> <em>‘the fat was being cut up and rendered for lard’</em></div></div><span class="gmail-ind">Process (the carcass of an animal) in order to extract proteins, fats, and other usable parts.</span><div class="exg"><div class="ex"> <em>‘the rendered down remains of sheep’ "<br><br></em></div><div class="ex">So I'd expect {tlhag} is the object of {'Im}. 'ej bIjatlhchugh <'Imlu'pu'wI'>, vay' 'Imlu'pu'bogh 'oH 'e' SIbI' vIyaj.<br><br></div></div></div></div><div>~mIp'av<br></div><div> </div></div></div></div>