<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Thanks David!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Indeed the lack of tense can be a bit confusing sometimes and it's taking me a bit of time getting used to.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I'm still working to figure out also how it works with the verb suffixes.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">For example, in the 4 possible sentences below, do I get the exact nuances right?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="times new roman, serif">jIvutpu’ ’e’ vIparHa’ </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- I like that I cooked (at some point in the past)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- I like that I have cooked (just now)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- I like finishing to cook (maybe implying that this is when I can finally eat ;)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="times new roman, serif">jIvutta’ ’e’ vIparHa’</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- I like that I successfully cooked / that I achieved cooking/ I like cooking successfully [just now, in the past or in general], with more emphasis on the achievement (maybe I was cooking something tricky and I made it)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="times new roman, serif">jIvuttaH ’e’ vIparHa'</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- I like cooking (the process of cooking)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="times new roman, serif">jIvutlI’ ’e’ vIparHa'</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- I like preparing the meal (with more emphasis on the purpose)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">What do you think?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="times new roman, serif">~mughwI'</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-02-10 18:22 GMT+01:00 David Holt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenjutsuka@live.com" target="_blank">kenjutsuka@live.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">




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I would just like to add (because it may help you with future problems) that what may actually be throwing you off is the lack of tense in Klingon.  One way to translate {jIvut 'e' vIparHa'} is "I like that I am cooking."  However, depending on context, you
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<div id="m_2852822559361634836divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> tlhIngan-Hol <<a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org" target="_blank">tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.<wbr>kli.org</a>> on behalf of Aurélie Demonchaux <<a href="mailto:demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com" target="_blank">demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 9, 2017 6:31 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [tlhIngan Hol] KLBC - How to say "I like to do/doing something"</font>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I've been wondering, what's the correct way to express liking / disliking an activity?</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">For example, saying:</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">"I like to cook"</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">or "The Vulcan doesn't like to fight"</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">We have some examples of <par> and <parHa'> being used with nouns or pronouns but I can't find any canon source where they apply to verbs.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Do you use {'e'} or nothing in those cases?</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">As in:</div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="times new roman, serif"><jIvut vIparHa'> vs <jIvut ’e’ vIparHa'></font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="times new roman, serif"><Suv par vulqangan> vs <Suv ’e’ par vulqangan></font></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">My "feeling" would be to use no ’e’ , similar to the construction with <want> (neH), because 'e' is the equivalent of "that", so using it would mean "I like that I cook" / "The Vulcan
 doesn't like that he fights", implying that the cooking/fighting is actually happening now, instead of stating "I like cooking in general"/"the Vulcan doesn't like fighting in general" (but I'm not necessarily cooking right now and the Vulcan is not fighting
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">What do you think?</div>
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