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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">(KGT 71): </span><span style="font-family:Courier">Among Klingons, pleasure is deemed quite unessential for one's well-being. More frequently, the appreciation of music is expressed in terms of something
that music does to the listener rather than in terms of the listener's reaction. Thus, music is said to embolden (<b>jaqmoH</b>), excite (<b>SeymoH</b>), encourage (<b>tungHa'</b>), or to stimulate or inspire (<b>pIlmoH</b>).</span><span style="font-family:Courier">"
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</span><span style="font-family:Courier">Also consider:<b><br>
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bel</b> be pleased (v)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier">belHa' </span></b><span style="font-family:Courier">be displeased (v)<br>
<b><span style="color:#C00000">belHa'moH</span> </b>displease (v)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b> chobelHa'moH, DI'qar.</b><i><br>
</i>You disappoint (lit. “displease”) me, D'Kar. (<i>STConst</i> p.259)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier">belmoH</span></b><span style="font-family:Courier"> [<i>please (someone)]</i> (v)<i><br>
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<span style="font-family:Courier"> <b>qabelmoH'a'</b> <br>
Do I please you? (i.e. <i>Do you like me?</i>) PK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="color:#C00000">lIbelmoH paqvam 'e' vItul</span> <br>
</b>we hope that you will be pleased with the results.<br>
(Vincent Van Gerven Oei's speech at <b>qepHom wa'maHDIch</b>)</span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Courier"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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</span></i><b><span style="color:#C00000"> tlhIHvaD paq chu' wImuch 'e' bochaw'mo' chequvmoH 'ej chebelmoH.
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lut'a'raj Dun laDlaHmeH tera'ngan, tera'Daq tlhIngan lut'a' paq wa'Dich<br>
wIchenmoHta', lut'a' 'oH paq'batlh'e'.</span></b> <br>
It is a great honor and pleasure that you have allowed us to present you with<br>
the first Terran edition of your glorious epic, the <i>paq'batlh</i>.<br>
(also from Vincent's speech)<span style="font-family:Courier"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">Using the noun {<b>bel}</b> “pleasure, joy” may also be productive. E.g.<br>
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<b> 'utbe' bel</b> <br>
Pleasure is nonessential. TKW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b> lenglIj lutebjaj lengwIjvaD bel rap, Sov rap, ngoQ<br>
rap je Danobpu'bogh.</b> <br>
May your journey be filled with the same joy, wisdom,<br>
and purpose you have given mine. (Frasier)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">As for omitting {‘e’} -- don’t. {neH} is the only exception in SAOs:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">(TKD 66f.): When the verb of the second sentence is {<b>neH}</b> “<i>want”</i>, neither {<b>'e'}</b> nor {<b>net}</b> is used, but the construction is otherwise identical to that just described.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As far as we know this usage is unique to {neH}. While "I like that I cook" or "The Vulcan doesn't like that he fights" may sound awkward in English, they don’t in Klingon.<br>
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--Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On Behalf Of
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Aurélie Demonchaux<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 09, 2017 6:32 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I've been wondering, what's the correct way to express liking / disliking an activity?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">For example, saying:<span style="color:#44546A">
</span>"I like to cook"<b><i><span style="color:#44546A"> </span></i></b>or "The Vulcan doesn't like to fight"<span style="color:#44546A"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">We have some examples of <par> and <parHa'> being used with nouns or pronouns but I can't find any canon source where they apply to verbs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Do you use {'e'} or nothing in those cases?<b><i><span style="color:#44546A">
</span></i></b>As in:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#44546A"> </span><jIvut vIparHa'> vs <jIvut ’e’ vIparHa'><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#44546A"> </span><Suv par vulqangan> vs <Suv ’e’ par vulqangan><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">My "feeling" would be to use no ’e’ , similar to the construction with <want> (neH), because 'e' is the equivalent of "that", so using it would mean "I like that I cook" / "The Vulcan doesn't
like that he fights", implying that the cooking/fighting is actually happening now, instead of stating "I like cooking in general"/"the Vulcan doesn't like fighting in general" (but I'm not necessarily cooking right now and the Vulcan is not fighting right
now either).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">What do you think?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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