<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486657297319_12004">Maybe it's because I first encountered the word in the context of one's reaction to people, but I always associate {par} with the idea of disliking a person, and not an action. If I wanted to say, "I like to cook" I would be more likely to use {tIv} 'to enjoy': {jIvut 'e' vItIv}.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486657297319_12005"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486657297319_12006">I've occasionally used {-qang}, in analogy to the German use of "gern": {'Iwchab vISopqang} "I like to eat blood pie".<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486657297319_12007"><span></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486657297319_12008">ter'eS<br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486657297319_12015" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486657297319_12014"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486657297319_12013"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486657297319_12012"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486657297319_12027" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 9, 2017 10:05 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [tlhIngan Hol] KLBC - How to say "I like to do/doing something"<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486657297319_12028"><br><div id="yiv4577579291"><style>#yiv4577579291 #yiv4577579291 --
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<div class="yiv4577579291MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486657297319_12030"><span style="font-family:Courier;">(KGT 71): </span><span style="font-family:Courier;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486657297319_12029">Among Klingons, pleasure is deemed quite unessential for one's well-being. More frequently, the appreciation of music is expressed in terms of something
that music does to the listener rather than in terms of the listener's reaction. Thus, music is said to embolden (<b>jaqmoH</b>), excite (<b>SeymoH</b>), encourage (<b>tungHa'</b>), or to stimulate or inspire (<b>pIlmoH</b>).</span><span style="font-family:Courier;">"
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</span><span style="font-family:Courier;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486657297319_12034">Also consider:<b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486657297319_12035"><br clear="none">
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bel</b> be pleased (v)</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4577579291MsoNormal"><b> chobelHa'moH, DI'qar.</b><i><br clear="none">
</i>You disappoint (lit. “displease”) me, D'Kar. (<i>STConst</i> p.259)</div>
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<div class="yiv4577579291MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier;">belmoH</span></b><span style="font-family:Courier;"> [<i>please (someone)]</i> (v)<i><br clear="none">
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<span style="font-family:Courier;"> <b>qabelmoH'a'</b> <br clear="none">
Do I please you? (i.e. <i>Do you like me?</i>) PK</span></div>
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<b><span style="color:#C00000;">lIbelmoH paqvam 'e' vItul</span> <br clear="none">
</b>we hope that you will be pleased with the results.<br clear="none">
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</span></i><b><span style="color:#C00000;"> tlhIHvaD paq chu' wImuch 'e' bochaw'mo' chequvmoH 'ej chebelmoH.
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lut'a'raj Dun laDlaHmeH tera'ngan, tera'Daq tlhIngan lut'a' paq wa'Dich<br clear="none">
wIchenmoHta', lut'a' 'oH paq'batlh'e'.</span></b> <br clear="none">
It is a great honor and pleasure that you have allowed us to present you with<br clear="none">
the first Terran edition of your glorious epic, the <i>paq'batlh</i>.<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv4577579291MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier;">Using the noun {<b>bel}</b> “pleasure, joy” may also be productive. E.g.<br clear="none">
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<b> 'utbe' bel</b> <br clear="none">
Pleasure is nonessential. TKW</span></div>
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<b> lenglIj lutebjaj lengwIjvaD bel rap, Sov rap, ngoQ<br clear="none">
rap je Danobpu'bogh.</b> <br clear="none">
May your journey be filled with the same joy, wisdom,<br clear="none">
and purpose you have given mine. (Frasier)</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4577579291MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">As for omitting {‘e’} -- don’t. {neH} is the only exception in SAOs:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4577579291MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier;">(TKD 66f.): When the verb of the second sentence is {<b>neH}</b> “<i>want”</i>, neither {<b>'e'}</b> nor {<b>net}</b> is used, but the construction is otherwise identical to that just described.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv4577579291MsoNormal"><span style="">As far as we know this usage is unique to {neH}. While "I like that I cook" or "The Vulcan doesn't like that he fights" may sound awkward in English, they don’t in Klingon.<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv4577579291MsoNormal"><span style="">I've been wondering, what's the correct way to express liking / disliking an activity?</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4577579291MsoNormal"><span style="">For example, saying:<span style="color:#44546A;">
</span>"I like to cook"<b><i><span style="color:#44546A;"> </span></i></b>or "The Vulcan doesn't like to fight"<span style="color:#44546A;"></span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv4577579291MsoNormal"><span style="">We have some examples of <par> and <parHa'> being used with nouns or pronouns but I can't find any canon source where they apply to verbs.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4577579291MsoNormal"><span style="">Do you use {'e'} or nothing in those cases?<b><i><span style="color:#44546A;">
</span></i></b>As in:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4577579291MsoNormal"><span style="color:#44546A;"> </span><jIvut vIparHa'> vs <jIvut ’e’ vIparHa'></div>
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<div class="yiv4577579291MsoNormal"><span style="color:#44546A;"> </span><Suv par vulqangan> vs <Suv ’e’ par vulqangan></div>
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<div class="yiv4577579291MsoNormal"><span style="">My "feeling" would be to use no ’e’ , similar to the construction with <want> (neH), because 'e' is the equivalent of "that", so using it would mean "I like that I cook" / "The Vulcan doesn't
like that he fights", implying that the cooking/fighting is actually happening now, instead of stating "I like cooking in general"/"the Vulcan doesn't like fighting in general" (but I'm not necessarily cooking right now and the Vulcan is not fighting right
now either).</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4577579291MsoNormal"><span style="">What do you think?</span></div>
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