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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/8/2017 6:54 PM, Michael Roney, Jr.
wrote:<br>
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type="cite">ben law', loD tu'lu'.
<div>be'nal ghaj loD.</div>
<div>yatlhlaHbe' be'nal.</div>
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<div>QorghwaghDaq ghaHtaHvIS be'nal;</div>
<div>Du'Hom leghlaH.</div>
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<p><b>Qorwagh</b></p>
<p>It would be fine to say <b>QorwaghDajvo' Du'Hom leghlaH be'nal.</b></p>
<p>But if you do use <b>ghaHtaHvIS,</b> remember to put the <b>-'e'</b>
on the subject: <b>QorwaghDaq ghaHtaHvIS be'nal'e'.</b></p>
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<div>Du'Hom 'IH.</div>
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<p><b>'IH Du'Hom.</b></p>
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<div>yav vel tI.</div>
<div>naH pov law' Hoch pov puS.</div>
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<p>I'm not quite sure how to understand this. <i>Vegetables are the
most excellent.</i> Do you mean the vegetables in THIS garden
are more excellent than those of any other garden? There are a few
ways to say that:</p>
<p><b>Hoch Du'Hommey naH'e' Du'Homvam naH pov law' Hoch pov puS</b><br>
<i>of all gardens' vegetables, this garden's vegetables are the
most excellent</i></p>
<p>which could probably be shortened to</p>
<p><b>Hoch Du'Hommey'e' naHvam pov law' Hoch pov puS</b><br>
<i>of all gardens, these vegetables are the most excellent</i></p>
<p>Or you could say:</p>
<p><b>Du'Homvam naH pov law' Hoch latlh Du'Hommey naH pov puS<br>
</b><i>this garden's vegetables are more excellent than every
other garden's vegetables</i></p>
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<div>Du'Hom Dech chevwI' tlhoy'.</div>
<div>Du'Hom ghaj 'IDnar pIn'a'.</div>
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<p>While this is probably perfectly acceptable, I sometimes have
trouble accepting <b>ghaj</b> as an expression of ownership
instead of possession. You could say instead, <b>'IDnar pIn'a'
Du'Hom 'oH</b> <i>it is a wizard's garden.</i></p>
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<div>Hoch ghIj 'IDnar pIn'a'.</div>
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<div>Du'Hom leghtaHvIS be'nal;</div>
<div>DIghna' por tu'.</div>
<div>DeH.</div>
<div>baQ.</div>
<div>SuD.</div>
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<div>neH.</div>
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<p>If it is important to maintain the single-syllable sound of this
progression, then that's fine. But I had to take a moment to
realize the last word was no longer using the <b>DIghna'</b> leaf
as its subject. If the monosyllable is not important, then expand
it to at least <b>neH ghaH</b> if not the unabridged <b>DIghna'
por neH ghaH.</b></p>
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<div>wa'maH cha' pemmey wa'maH cha' rammey je, por neH.</div>
<div>chabalHom chabal chabal'a' neHtaH.</div>
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<p>majQa'!<br>
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<div>qurchoH.</div>
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<div>DIghna' por ghajlaHbe'. net Sov</div>
<div>pujchoH.</div>
<div>chISchoH.</div>
<div>'ItchoH.</div>
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<div>bIt loD.</div>
<div>ghel:</div>
<div><nuqneH, be'nalwI'?></div>
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<p><b>nuqneH</b> is used as a greeting; I don't think it's meant for
this sort of thing. <b>nuq DaneH</b> would be appropriate.</p>
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<div>jang:</div>
<div><DIghna' porvam vISoplaHchughbe', vaj jIHegh.></div>
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<p>You can't put rovers after type 9 verb suffixes. But you don't
need to: <b>vISoplaHbe'chugh</b> <i>if I cannot eat it.</i></p>
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<div>be'nalDaj SaH loD.</div>
<div>Qub loD:</div>
<div><Hegh be'nalwI' vIneHbe'.</div>
<div>DIghna' por vISuqqang.></div>
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<div>choS, tlhoy' toS.</div>
<div>nom DIghna' por Suq.</div>
<div>be'nalDaj nob.</div>
<div>por mIQ be'nal.</div>
<div>Sop.</div>
<div>'ey!</div>
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<div>'ach tlhoy DIghna' por tIv.</div>
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<div>wa'leS, DIghna' por neHtaH.</div>
<div>vaj choS, tlhoy' toSqa'.</div>
<div>DIghna' por Suq.</div>
<div>ngugh 'IDnar pIn'a' legh.</div>
<div>ghIj.</div>
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<p>You've switched subjects again without it being clear what you're
doing. Without the cultural hint that wizards catching men
stealing stuff from their gardens are more likely to scare the men
than the men are to scare the wizards, it would be hard to
distinguish who's doing the scaring here. It would be the same in
English if I said, "He climbed the wall. He got the leaf. Then he
saw the wizard. He scared him." Who's doing the scaring?</p>
<p> Fortunately, it's all right in Klingon if you want to be
redundant, more so than in English. Just say <b>loD ghIj 'IDnar.</b></p>
<p>By the way, for those verbs that are completed in the telling,
use <b>-pu'</b> or <b>-ta'</b> to indicate this. So you probably
want to use <b>DIghna' por Suqpu'</b> or <b>DIghna' por Suqta',</b>
but probably just <b>loD ghIj 'IDnar,</b> unless you mean the man
was startled but then no longer scared.</p>
<p>There are a number of sentences here that you haven't added
perfective to that you probably should have, and I haven't pointed
them out.</p>
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<div>jatlh 'IDnar pIn'a':</div>
<div><nIHwI'!</div>
<div>DIghna' por DanIH.</div>
<div>qabIj.></div>
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<div>jang loD:</div>
<div><pung!</div>
<div>be'nalwI'vaD 'oH.</div>
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<p>This is not wrong, but I'd be tempted to use a real verb: e.g., <b>be'nalwI'vaD
jIvangpu'.</b><br>
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<div>DIghna' por SopnIS.</div>
<div>neHqu'.</div>
<div>por Supbe'chugh, Hegh.></div>
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<p><b>Sop</b><br>
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<div>jang 'IDnar pIn'a':</div>
<div><bIvItchugh;</div>
<div>DIghna' por Daghaj.</div>
<div>'ach ghubDaQlI' DanobnIS.</div>
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<p>You could be more specific: <b>ghubDaQlI' chonobnIS</b> or <b>jIHvaD
ghubDaQlI' DanobnIS.</b></p>
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<div>puq vIQorgh.</div>
<div>SoS jIDa.></div>
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<p><b>vIDa</b><br>
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<div>lay' loD.</div>
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