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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">In the past we’ve sometimes used {<b>le'</b>}
<b>“</b>be special, exceptional” in the for private and {<b>le'be'</b>} “be unexceptional, nonspecific general” for public. When he was working on voice recognition software for KCD at Dragon Systems, Mark Mandel posted:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">(Mark Mandel, [199?]): Since my office is in a different building from the company reception desk I prefer to give people the number of the fax machine closest to my desk. I put both numbers on the letterhead,
labeling them in English “<i>Klingon fax”</i> and “<i>general fax”</i>. Dr. Okrand suggested {<b>le'be'}</b> for “<i>general”</i>, and so of course that's what I used.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier"> nav HablI' le'be'</span></b><span style="font-family:Courier">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> general FAX (<i>vs</i>. a private machine)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> <b><i><o:p></o:p></i></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">See Okrand’s note on this in
<i>HolQeD</i> 5.2. It’s not perfect, but Klingons may not have a concept of – or a word for - privacy; many Earth cultures don’t.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">Alternatively, you could just add {<b>qum}</b> “government”, {<b>veng}</b> “city”, {<b>Sep}</b> “region, country”, {wo'} “empire”, etc., at the beginning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">--Voragh</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">{paq nojwI' tum} is public library. but how could we specify/describe a private library ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 29 Dec 2016 9:17 pm, "Steven Boozer" <<a href="mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Okrand made a point of distinguishing the actual building a few times at qepHom 2016:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">landmark qach noy (building)
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">monument, memorial van qach (building)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> </span></i></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">logh chal je 'angweD qach</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">… and from elsewhere we know of:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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house juH qach
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hospital ropyaH qach
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Speaking as a librarian, I was thrilled to see that these terms exist; I missed them initially, somehow.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">To me, the {paq nojwI' qach} is the literal building housing the books and the staff, while the {tum} refers to the entity more abstractly. If you said, "I'll check the Library and
see if they have that" and you used your phone app or the on-line catalog, it would be the {tum} you are accessing, but not the {qach}. If you are talking about visiting the library, I don't see much difference. I also don't see how {tum} implies "public",
but that's how it's glossed, so be it.</span><span style="color:#44546A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> BTW, I would qualify {De' QulwI'} as not just "librarian", but specifically "research librarian". In fact, as the term stands, it could refer to anyone in the data analysis or research
field. {paq nojwI'} is much more appropriate for what I do all day.</span><span style="color:#44546A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> "Michael Roney, Jr." <</span><a href="mailto:nahqun@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">nahqun@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Steven Boozer <</span><a href="mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">sboozer@uchicago.edu</span></a><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">>
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> Also from qepHom 2016:<br>
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> paq nojwI' qach </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#44546A">
</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">library (building) (n)<br>
> paq nojwI' tum library (public) (n)<br>
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Do we know what the difference between libraries is?<br>
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