<div dir="ltr"><div>Both {qorDu'wI'} and {qorDu'lI'} also appear in the paq'batlh, as well as {qorDu'wIj}. A difference I notice is that {-wI'} and {-lI'} are used for the living (or those who can conceivably be rescued from Gre'thor), and {-wIj} is used for those who are certainly dead, or possibly for speaking of family in a general way that includes the dead as well as the living.<br><br></div><div>The capable-of-speech examples:<br><br>batlh Hegh qorDu'lI' (from paq'yav Canto 3)<br><br>ghe'torDaq lengbe'meH
<dd>qorDu'wI' vIQan (from paq'yav Canto 12)</dd></div><p>In the first of these, Molor's envoy clearly speaks to Morath of his living kin, since only the living can die.</p><p>In the second, Kahless intends to rescue his kin from Gre'thor, so he hasn't given them up for dead.<br></p><div><dd><br></dd></div>The incapable-of-speech examples:<br><br>qorDu'wIj quvmo' jImaghpu'<br><div style="margin-left:40px">qorDu'wIj quvqa'moHlu'meH<br>jIvang vIneH (from paq'raD Canto 16)<br><br></div>qotar vImuv qorDu'wIj vImuv (from paq'QIH Canto 2) <br><div><div><div><div><br></div><div>In the first example, although Kahless is trying to rescue his family from Gre'thor, he speaks of "my family" in perhaps a general way ("my family honor") that could include all of his kin who have ever lived.<br></div><div>In the second, he goes to join his dead relatives.<br></div><div><br>And nothing to do with canon, but I recently noticed that I instinctively used {qorDu'wI'} for my own immediate family, perhaps since they are so obviously capable of speech.<br><br></div>~mIp'av<br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>