<div dir="auto">ghunchu'wI':<div dir="auto">> You have not yet demonstrated your </div><div dir="auto">> understanding.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I wrote earlier my understanding of time span and time stamp, through the dialogue which took place between me and SuStel. did you expect me to write specific examples or something ?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As far as the {Soch DIS vorgh jIQuch}, is concerned, I still can't understand where is the problem.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As SuStel said, {Soch DIS vorgh} is a time stamp. As was said earlier in this thread, time stamps don't require the {qaStaHvIS}. So, in the {Soch DIS vorgh jIQuch}, where is the problem ?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You can say that for you "it doesn't convey the desired meaning/feeling/whatever". But is it ungrammatical ?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If the sentence utilized a time span instead i.e. {Soch DIS jIQuch}, then for the reasons SuStel explained, it would be ungrammatical. But since it uses a time stamp, then where is the problem ?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Can you explain with reasonable arguments why I can say {DaSjaj jIQuch}, while at the same time you are telling me that I cannot say {Soch DIS vorgh jIQuch} ?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Or is the {qaStaHvIS} another glorious "maltz said so" ? because if it is, then hey I'm all for it ! just tell me though, and save me the grief of trying to understand obviously contradictory explanations.</div><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'<br>SuvwI'pu'qoq Hol tughojmoHta'mo' Satlho'</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 Dec 2016 6:57 pm, "Alan Anderson" <<a href="mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net" target="_blank">qunchuy@alcaco.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 9:51 AM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target="_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">ok, I understand the difference between a time span and a time stamp.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You have not yet demonstrated your understanding. The distinction is in the word "span" -- it represents a measured period of time, with a beginning an an end. In contrast, a "stamp" is like a finger pointing to a spot on a calendar, or on a clock, indicating a specific time. It isn't necessarily an instantaneous *moment*, but it doesn't count the passage of time.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">so, applying this distinction in the {qaStaHvIS} discussion, I understand that:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"..when we are using time stamps, the {qaStaHvIS} may or may not be used, depending on the occasion. but when we are using time periods, then the {qaStaHvIS} is absolutely necessary.."</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">would you agree with the above ?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do not agree. As soon as you say {qaStaH}, you're making the phrase talk about a duration. It's no longer acting as a time stamp.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">and something else. since {DIS vorgh} is a time stamp, would you agree with {Soch DIS vorgh jIQuch} for "the previous 7 years I was happy" ?<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do not agree. The English would usually be "during the previous 7 years". If you are trying to say something else, it is not apparent. You seem to be wanting to focus on a seven year span. That needs a verb to represent the passing of time, and the usual one is {qaStaHvIS}.<br><br>-- ghunchu'wI'</div></div></div></div>
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