<div dir="auto">ok, I understand your comments.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">however, let me ask you something further on this subject..</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">as we said, there are two kinds of law' puS constructions; the comparative and the superlative (which utilizes the {Hoch}).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I understand the issues, which arise when at the superlative version of the law' puS, we provide context to the {Hoch}. And I really liked the way you described, of working around these issues by the use of {-'e'}.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">but if our intention is to use the law' puS in its comparative form, then would you accept in the formula: {A X law' B X puS}, the {B} (singular or plural) being in relation to a {Hoch} (either before, or after) ?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">with our intention being to form a comparative, would you accept <span style="font-family:sans-serif">{A X law' Hoch B(mey) X puS}, or </span><span style="font-family:sans-serif">{A X law' B(mey) Hoch X puS} ?</span></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">or do you think that the above would/could be confusing ?<br></font><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'<br>SuvwI'pu'qoq Hol tughojmoHta'mo' Satlho'</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 Dec 2016 4:14 pm, "SuStel" <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<pre>lets assume a simple sentence:
la' Dun law' Hoch Dun puS
the greatest commander of them all
Can the {Hoch} have context ? And if you wonder what I mean, here it is:
la' Dun law' jogh Hoch la'pu' Dun puS
the greatest commander of all commanders of the quadrant
la' Dun law' Hoch la'pu' vIghompu'bogh Dun puS
the greatest commander of all commanders I have met
HoSDaj ngay'Daj je Dun law' Hoch novpu' HoS ngay' je Dun puS
his power and glory were greater than the power and glory of all aliens
are the above sentences correct ?</pre>
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<p>Common wisdom says they are. I have begun to question common
wisdom on this.</p>
<p>I think there are two distinct <b>law'/puS</b> constructions,
disregarding the numerous variations we've gotten over the years:
the comparative and the superlative. I have begun to think that
the superlative is invariant in its B noun phrase: <i><b>A Q </b></i><b>law'
Hoch</b><i><b> Q </b></i><b>puS,</b> and nothing but <b>Hoch</b>
can be in the B position for it to remain superlative.</p>
<p>Our only example of how to give context to the superlative is our
old friend from <i>Star Trek V:</i> <b>qIbDaq SuvwI''e' SoH Dun
law' Hoch Dun puS</b><i> you would be the greatest warrior in
the galaxy.</i> Notice that this is not <b>qIbDaq SoH Dun law'
Hoch SuvwI'pu' Dun puS</b><i> you would be greater than all the
warriors in the galaxy.</i> This latter is not a superlative, it
is a comparative, and it kind of assumes that the addressee is not
actually one of "all warriors." You might stick a <b>latlh</b> in
there to signify <i>other</i> warriors, but the point remains:
this is not actually a superlative.</p>
<p>Okrand used the topic suffix to provide the context. Let's do
that with your examples.</p>
<p><b>jogh la'pu''e' la' Dun law' Hoch Dun puS<br>
</b><i>the commander is the greatest quadrant commander</i></p>
<p><b>la'pu''e' vIghompu'bogh la' Dun law' Hoch Dun puS<br>
</b><i>the commander is the greatest commander I have met</i></p>
<p><b>novpu' HoS'e' ngay''e' je ghaH Dun law' Hoch Dun puS<br>
</b><i>his alien power and glory are the greatest</i></p>
<p>(And remember that <i>great</i> here means <i>wonderful,</i>
not <i>large.</i>)<br>
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