<div dir="auto">thank you ca'non master !<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">however before I sleep, there is a final question I need to ask, in order to verify that I accurately understood this matter.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">if I want to say "for many years, I have my phone's sound level set at maximum", then there are two options:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">{DIS law', ghoghwIj HablI'vaD wab 'aqroS patlh vIlo'}</div><div dir="auto">or</div><div dir="auto">{qaStaHvIS DIS law', <span style="font-family:sans-serif">ghoghwIj HablI'vaD wab 'aqroS patlh vIlo'}</span></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">if I understand correctly what was said so far, then at this example the {qaStaHvIS} is unnecessary, right ? we can use it if we want, but it isn't necessary, right ?<br></font><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'<br>SuvwI'pu'qoq Hol tughojmoHta'mo' Satlho'</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 Dec 2016 8:53 pm, "Steven Boozer" <<a href="mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" target="_blank">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">(KGT 47): In parallel fashion, any specific
<i>battle</i> is {<b>may'}</b>, but the concept of battle is {<b>vIq}</b>, often translated as
<i>combat</i>. Similarly, there are several verbs for <i>fight</i>, <i>battle</i>, and the like. Most broadly,
<i>do battle</i> or <i>wage war</i><s>--</s>that is, actually engage in a conflict in which a number of combatants are involved<s>--</s>is {<b>ghob}</b>. The notion of
<i>make war</i> in the general sense, referring to the <u>idea</u> of war and not a
<u>specific</u> war, is {<b>Qoj}</b>. The verb for <i>fight</i>, whether in a war or a one-on-one confrontation, is {<b>Suv}</b>. In short, the nouns {<b>veS}</b> (<i>war, warfare</i>) and {<b>vIq}</b> (<i>combat</i>) and the verb {<b>Qoj}</b> (<i>wage war</i>)
all are used to refer to the ideas of warfare, combat, and making war, while the nouns {<b>noH}</b> (<i>war</i>) and {<b>may'}</b> (<i>battle</i>) and the verbs {<b>ghob}</b> (<i>make war</i>,
<i>do battle</i>) and {<b>Suv}</b> (<i>fight</i>) are used when referring to specific, concrete instances of war, battle, and fighting. Thus it is possible to say ... {<b>may' ghob}</b> or {<b>may' Suv}</b>, meaning
<i>He/she fights a battle</i>, but it is not normally acceptable to say ... {<b>vIq Suv}</b> (<i>He/she fights a combat</i>).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> I don't think one can yIn a may'<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">hehehe.. you're right ! I just couldn't think of any other word !<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 27 Dec 2016 8:29 pm, "SuStel" <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/27/2016 1:24 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> like a single fight during a period of three <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> years<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I guess this means something like:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">{qaStaHvIS wej DIS wa' may' neH wIyIn}<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">we only had one battle during three years<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">right ?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-left:16.2pt">Er... I don't think one can <b>yIn</b> a <b>may'</b>... But
<b>qaStaHvIS wej DIS wa' may' neH wISuv</b> would be correct. <u></u><u></u></p>
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