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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">According to HetaQ, Krankor asked Okrand at qep'a' loSDIch whether{ -be'} could be inserted between {-taH} and {-vIS} for a suffix combination {-taHbe'vIS} (meaning
something like “while discontinuously”). The answer was: "That's an interesting question."
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Examples of {-taHbe’}:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> tay'taHbe' 'Iw bIQ je
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> Blood and water don't mix. TKW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> moratlh DaH bIHaw'laHtaHbe' puj 'uSDu'lIj
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> qepHomDaq jIHtaHbe'. Saghal.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Examples of {-taH} and {-be’} on different verbs in the same sentence:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> QaptaHvIS So'wI' QaplaHbe' nuHmey
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> weapons cannot be discharged while the cloak is<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> bIyIntaH 'e' Daqotlhbe'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> [You don't deserve to live (i.e. keep on living).] PK<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">--Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On Behalf Of
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<p class="MsoNormal">mIp'av:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> <span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As for rovers, does anyone even have a </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> definite idea what effect {-qu'} or {-be'} would</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> have following {-taH} ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">lets write an example..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">{jIvumtaH} "I am continuously working".</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">{jIvumtaHqu'} "I am very much continuously working". I would understand this as someone trying to emphasize the "continuously", though I can't say that in my mind there is much difference between
the {-taH} and the {-taHqu'}. after all there are 24 hours in the day, right ? If someone says "I am working continuously", then the maximum I can understand is those 24 hours. I don't see how the {-qu'}, can add more to this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">{jIvumtaHbe'} "I am not continuously working". I think this does make sense, and its ok to use it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">now, if your original question was with regards to rovers being placed after the {-taH} in the {-taHvIS}, then I think that the resulting sentence wouldn't make sense.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"while I am very much continuously working", "while I am not continuously working". I don't know.. I just can't *feel* what exactly these sentence could mean, or in which situations they would
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">let alone the fact, that if we were to apply a rover in the aforementioned manner, then why place it right after the {-taH}, and not after the {-taHvIS} ? the way I understand it, practically,
the {-vIS} and {-taHvIS} are essentially the same. so, if we were to apply a rover, we could place it right after the {-taHvIS}, thus avoiding splitting them up, since they always seem to like so much each other.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 23 Dec 2016 3:07 pm, "Ed Bailey" <<a href="mailto:bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com">bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:15 AM, mayqel qunenoS <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target="_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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but as you cleverly pointed out, there is a problem with the placement<br>
of {-neS}. If I want to say "while you were doing me the honor of<br>
being present", then is the {bISaHtaHneSvIS} correct ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">There's no rule against it. I was just supposing. But I'm pretty sure there is no canon example of any suffix occurring between {-taH} and {-vIS}. I can only speak for myself, but I expect for most {-neS} would
seem like a weird interruption, and if {-neS} were called for, would add it to the main clause instead. (As for rovers, does anyone even have a definite idea what effect {-qu'} or {-be'} would have following {-taH}?)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">~mIp'av <o:p></o:p></p>
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