<p dir="ltr">and perhaps this explanation is compatible with the tkd sentence {jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'}.</p>
<p dir="ltr">"I don't know the here (=I don't know what/where is this "here") which I am being (=occupying)".</p>
<p dir="ltr">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 Dec 2016 12:53 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">this just occured to me..</p>
<p dir="ltr">paq'batlh doesn't have punctuation, right ? so, what if at the original sentence the punctuation goes:</p>
<p dir="ltr">{DaH, naDev, jIHtaHbogh meq Saja'}</p>
<p dir="ltr">if that would be the case, I could accept this as "now, here, I will tell you my reason of being".</p>
<p dir="ltr">granted, perhaps this produces a different meaning than the given one, but its the only solution I can think of.</p>
<p dir="ltr">damn, this sentence drives me crazy !</p>
<p dir="ltr">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 Dec 2016 11:36 am, "mayqel qunenoS" <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target="_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">De'vID:<br>
> {naDev ghaHtaH} means "he/she is here".<br>
<br>
Yes, I can understand this; but if at the above sentence we had the<br>
{-bogh} ({naDev ghaHtaHbogh}), then what would that mean ?<br>
<br>
My difficulty in understanding the original paq'batlh sentence,<br>
had/has to do with accepting the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} as a noun.<br>
<br>
If that sentence went: {DaH naDev jIHtaH meq Saja'}, then I could read<br>
it as "now, the reason of my being here, I will tell you". But the<br>
addition of {-bogh} severely messes me up. It is its presence that I<br>
can't explain.<br>
<br>
qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
<br>
On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 12:51 AM, De'vID <<a href="mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" target="_blank">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Dec 17, 2016 09:24, "mayqel qunenoS" <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target="_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> De'vID:<br>
><br>
>> {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is a noun.<br>
><br>
> I can't understand how this could be correct as a {-bogh}ed noun.<br>
><br>
> I know we can say {paq qanobta'bogh} for "the book which I gave you". but<br>
> here the {paq} is the object of {nob}.<br>
><br>
> On the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is the {naDev} an object ? and if yes, the object<br>
> of what verb ? the object of {jIH} ? I can understand the {jIH} taking an<br>
> object in the context of {SuvwI' jIH}. but then, the {naDev jIHtaH} would<br>
> mean "I am here" not in the sense "I am present here", but in the sense "I<br>
> am the here".<br>
><br>
> The SkyBox {Qo'noS} card has the following sentence:<br>
> {pa’ ’oHtaH vaS’a’ ’e’.}<br>
> "This is where the Klingon Great Hall is located"<br>
><br>
> That no more means "the Great Hall is 'the there'" than {naDev jIHtaH} means<br>
> "I am 'the here'."<br>
><br>
> The suffix {-taH} indicates an ongoing activity, and "being at a location"<br>
> is apparently considered a type of ongoing activity.<br>
><br>
> See also KGT p.25:<br>
> {tera'ngan ghaH qama''e'} "The prisoner is a Terran"<br>
> {bIghHa'Daq ghaHtaH qama''e'} "The prisoner is in the prison"<br>
><br>
> Even though that sentence has a {-Daq}ed noun, the structure is essentially<br>
> the same. {bIghHa'Daq ghaHtaH} means "he/she is in prison", and {naDev<br>
> ghaHtaH} means "he/she is here".<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> De'vID<br>
><br>
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