<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3001"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_2989">Starting with what we know well:</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_2988"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_2990"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3495">1. Intransitive -> Transitive</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_2991"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3494">{yIt K} "K walks"</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3000"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3087" dir="ltr">{K yItmoH F} "F makes K walk" / "F walks K"</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_2999" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_2998" dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">2. Transitive -> Ditransitive</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3120" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3021" dir="ltr">{X ghoj K} "K learns X"</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3121" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3122" dir="ltr">{KvaD X ghojmoH F} "F makes K learn X" / "F teaches X to K"</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3123" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3124" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3493" dir="ltr">And now the step to the unknown:</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3492" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3125" dir="ltr">3. Ditransitive -> Tritransitive</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3132" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3126" dir="ltr">{ZvaD X nob K} "K gives X to Z"</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3127" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3128" dir="ltr">Goal: "F makes K give X to Z"</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3129" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3130" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3188" dir="ltr">3.1. By the logic "expand 2. above," we start with "F makes K give X":</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3131" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3185" dir="ltr">{KvaD X nobmoH F}</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3270" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3189" dir="ltr">Then we need to insert Z somehow</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3195" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3190" dir="ltr">*{ZvaD KvaD X nobmoH F} is clearly ambiguous</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3196" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3240" dir="ltr">*{Z'e' KvaD X nobmoH F} "As for Z, F makes K give X"</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_2992"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3480"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3496">3.2. By the logic "keep existing objects and make the original subject as close as possible," we start with</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3249"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3241">*{Zvad X nobmoH F}</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3271"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3248">and need to insert K somehow</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3242"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3244" dir="ltr">*{K'e' ZvaD X nobmoH F}?</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3243" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3247" dir="ltr">note that if this logic applies, then we cannot mechanically translate this "As for K, F makes Z give X" just as {KvaD X ghojmoH F} does not mean *"F makes X learn for K" but "F makes K learn X"</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3245"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3336"><br></div><div>3.3. Lieven's suggestion</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3298"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3339">*{X'e' ZvaD K nobmoH F}</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3346"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3380" dir="ltr">...if would be so much easier if {KvaD X ghojmoH F} were *{X'e' K ghojmoH F}... but this does not exclude that the tritransitive construction, if any, works this way</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3379"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3246"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3503">3.4. Semantically, what about</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3272"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3156" dir="ltr">*{ZvaD Kvo' X noblu'moH F} or *{Kvo' ZvaD X noblu'moH F}?</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3481" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3482" dir="ltr">however, itdoes not seem so easy to use this approach with {'ang} or {cha'}</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_2997" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3344" dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">3.5. [rant] And now remove F, add {-wI'}, and consider using it as a heading. [/rant]</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3345" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3285">P.S. To avoid confusion: {mayqel qunenoS} and I are different persons.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_3491"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481225352163_2949"></div></div></body></html>