<div dir="ltr">Here are the important things new students need to know about phrases like {telDaq wovmoHwI'}:<div><br></div><div>1. They occur in canon.</div><div>2. They always seem to happen in titles and labels.</div><div>3. People on this list keep proposing rules to fit MO's usage with what's written in TKD, but none have been widely accepted.</div><div>3. Everyone agrees they CANNOT be used as a the subject of a sentence. *{cheghta' mIvDaq vIghro'} is WRONG.</div><div>4. They cause a lot of controversy on this list, so it's best to avoid using them yourself. Stick to sentences that fit the rule in TKD.</div><div><br></div><div>bI'reng</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 12:45 PM, SuStel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail-m_-6336596295306874641moz-cite-prefix">On 12/4/2016 12:18 PM, Alan Anderson
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 11:50 AM, SuStel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>></span>
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<p>But then it really behooves you to explain why Okrand
didn't just go with <b>tel wovmoHwI'.</b><span class="gmail-m_-6336596295306874641gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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{tel wovmoHwI'} would sound like it was brightening the wing.
That's not what wing lights do. There are hull spotlights on the
Enterprise (see <a href="http://showcase.netins.net/web/marc111creations/PL_Enterprise_Refit_WIP_1_files/themotionpicture394.jpg" target="_blank">http://showcase.netins.net/<wbr>web/marc111creations/PL_<wbr>Enterprise_Refit_WIP_1_files/<wbr>themotionpicture394.jpg</a>
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</span><p><i>Wing-location lights</i> sounds like they're brightening the
wing's location. What are wing-location lights? I don't have the
poster and I can find no high-resolution images. Are they
navigation lights?<br>
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<p>The possibilities here include: Okrand was thinking <i>lights on
the wings</i> and put a type 5 suffix on the first noun,
forgetting or ignoring the rule; or Okrand was thinking <i>wing-location
lights,</i> which I still don't understand.<br>
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<p>Let's suppose you have a pistol with lights on it. You want to
label them. The word for <i>pistol</i> is <b>HIch.</b> The word
for <i>light</i> is <b>wovmoHwI'.</b> So <i>pistol lights</i>
is <b>HIch wovmoHwI'.</b> It doesn't mean lights that illuminate
a pistol; it's not <b>(HIch wovmoH)wI'.</b> But you might want to
avoid that ambiguity, so you think, <i>lights ON a pistol,</i>
and this leads you to—incorrectly—say <b>*HIchDaq wovmoHwI'.</b></p>
<p>I'm not saying this is unquestionably what Okrand did. But this
particular error happens a lot with students of the language, and
Okrand is quite capable of making the same mistake for the same
reason.<span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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