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<p>jatlh SuStel:</p>
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<p>> <b>vIleghnIS<br>
</b><i>> I need to see it<br>
</i>> I have a personal requirement to see it, the fulfillment of which</p>
<p>> will result in personal benefit. No outside agency has imposed</p>
<p>> on me the task of seeing it.<br>
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<p>> <b>vIlegh net raD<br>
</b><i>> I am compelled to see it<br>
</i>>Some agency forces me to see it. Whether I derive any benefit</p>
<p>> from seeing it is completely irrelevant.</p>
<p>> <b>vIlegh net poQ<br>
</b><i>> I am required to see it<br>
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<p>I agree that the first is less specific and the second two specify different situations.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> If you see me dancing up and down, you might conclude that</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> </span><b style="font-size: 12pt;">puch vIlo'nIS</b><i style="font-size: 12pt;"> I need to use the toilet.</i><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> Going to the bathroom will</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> result in the benefit of not peeing in my pants, but no one is</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> requiring me to go. If you're my boss and you tell me
</span><b style="font-size: 12pt;">puch yIlo'</b></p>
<p><b style="font-size: 12pt;"></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> </span><i style="font-size: 12pt;">use the toilet!</i><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> I can now truthfully say
</span><b style="font-size: 12pt;">puch vIlo' net poQ</b><i style="font-size: 12pt;"> I am</i></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> </span><i style="font-size: 12pt;">required to use the bathroom,</i><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> because you are the outside</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> agency making the demand, and it's my job to do what you say,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> regardless of the state of or danger to my pants. I can also</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> continue to say </span><b style="font-size: 12pt;">puch vIlo'nIS,</b><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> because my own personal need</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> has not disappeared, but it says nothing about your demand.</span><br>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I still don't get it. What's the difference between the agency of the boss and the agency of the bladder?</span></p>
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<p>> If you, my boss, were to tell me, <b>javmaH tat chu'wI' tIje'</b><i> buy</i></p>
<p>> <i>sixty ion triggers!</i> but I find the buying of ion triggers a</p>
<p>> despicable act, I can truthfully say that <b>javmaH tat chu'wI' vIje'</b></p>
<p>> <b>net poQ</b><b> 'ach vIje'nISqu'be'</b><i> I am required to buy sixty ion</i></p>
<p>> <i>triggers</i><i> but I don't </i>need<i> to buy them. </i>I don't personally have</p>
<p>> any such need, but I do have to do it anyway.</p>
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<p>Sure you need them. If you don't you will lose your job and dishonor yourself. I can't get this contradictory statement to make any sense in my head. Your boss has caused the first part to be true and the second part to be false. Or perhaps your desire
to keep your job has caused the first part to be true and the second part to be false. Your starship can do the same thing. Your OCD can do the same thing. Which of those count as an agent and which don't?</p>
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<p>Jeremy</p>
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