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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">1. Did anyone provide examples WRT the “My name is X” question? Here’s the verb {pong} “name, call”:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> roD 'oHvaD juHqo' ponglu' neH
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> It [i.e. Qo'noS] is usually referred to as simply "The Homeworld." (S27)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> 'oHvaD Suto'vo'qor pong qotar
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> Kotar named it Sto-vo-kor. (PB)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> DaHjaj matlh jupna' pIpong
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> Today we name you a true friend of Maltz. (FMC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">… and the homophonus noun {pong}:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> 'u' 'oH ghe'naQ pong['e'].
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> The name of the opera is <'u'>. ('U'-MTK, sic)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> luqara' 'oH pongwI[j]'e'
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> My name is Lukara. (PB, sic)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> RYAN NYP chu' 'oH muD Duj'e' 'ej "ST. LOUIS toDuj" 'oH pongDaj'e'. (NASM)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> [untranslated; FYI “Ryan NYP” is a {muD Duj} “airplane”]<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">2. While I’m at it, here’s the canon for {ba'} “sit”:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> quSDaq ba'lu''a'
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> Is this seat taken? TKD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ba'!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> Sit! (Clipped pet command) PK
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> quSDaq bIba'
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> You sit in a chair. KGT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> quSDaq ba'
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> He/she sits in a chair. KGT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">N.B. {quSDaq ba’} is also an idiom meaning “that’s obvious” (cf. KGT p.124).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:4.8pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On Behalf Of
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Aurélie Demonchaux<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 03, 2016 4:36 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ok thanks for confirming this! Just to check, is there a canon reference on this being informal, stating that the prefix trick
and / or <-lu’> suffix make the sentence informal, or is it more an opinion / deduction that some Klingon linguists have formed based on their knowledge of the language?</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I thought about this further, and I figure that actually the general guideline (on reflexive vs non-reflexive verbs) is to just follow
English usage (for the equivalent verbs), unless stated otherwise in canon materials.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">So then if someone gives an order to 1 other person to sit in Klingon, it will be <
</span>yIba’<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> > but not < </span>yIba’egh<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> >, because in English you would normally say “sit down” but not “sit yourself down” (although the 2<sup>nd</sup> phrasing does
actually exist, it seems to be nonstandard). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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