<p dir="ltr">ghunchu'wI':<br>
> Some of us think of the "prefix trick" as<br>
> somehow lazy. It's not described in The<br>
> Klingon Dictionary, and it seems in real life to<br>
> have evolved as a too-close translation of<br>
> certain English phrasings.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I don't like the prefix trick either, but because 'oqranD has canonized it we have no option than shut up and accept it.</p>
<p dir="ltr">It is hypocritical (and that's an understatement), when someone strays from canon to execute him on the spot, but when another uses perfectly valid canon, to say "it's lazy, don't do it".</p>
<p dir="ltr">It's the same hypocrisy which surrounds the use of {-ghach}. Although it is canon, the instinctive "fatherly" advice is "shut up, don't use it".</p>
<p dir="ltr">And this lame situation, is the best motivation for someone to do his homework in order to learn the language, thus being able to choose his own way..</p>
<p dir="ltr">It's not only tribbles one needs to avoid; it's lame suggestions and advices as well.</p>
<p dir="ltr">qunnoq<br>
ghogh HablI'wIjvo' vIngeHta'</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 4 Oct 2016 11:41 a.m., "Aurélie Demonchaux" <<a href="mailto:demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com">demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Thanks a lot </span><font face="times new roman, serif">ghunchu'wI'</font><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> for clarifying, it all makes sense to me now and I'll keep it in mind when practicing the language :)<br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">-- </font><font face="times new roman, serif">mughwI'</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-10-04 1:10 GMT+02:00 Alan Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net" target="_blank">qunchuy@alcaco.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Aurélie Demonchaux<br>
<<a href="mailto:demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com" target="_blank">demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> 1/ Regarding “Quvar vIponglu’”:<br>
>><br>
>> That works fine, though some people consider it extremely informal usage.<br>
><br>
> ok thanks for confirming this! Just to check, is there a canon reference on<br>
> this being informal, stating that the prefix trick and / or <-lu’> suffix<br>
> make the sentence informal, or is it more an opinion / deduction that some<br>
> Klingon linguists have formed based on their knowledge of the language?<br>
<br>
</span>There is nothing officially published that labels it as informal. It's<br>
mostly a matter of a long-established preference in this discussion<br>
forum for strict grammatical forms when teaching Klingon. Some of us<br>
think of the "prefix trick" as somehow lazy. It's not described in The<br>
Klingon Dictionary, and it seems in real life to have evolved as a<br>
too-close translation of certain English phrasings.<br>
<br>
It's perfectly valid grammar, and those who consider themselves fluent<br>
(or nearly so) in Klingon won't have a problem understanding it. I<br>
probably went too far using the word "extremely", and for that I<br>
apologize.<br>
<br>
-- ghunchu'wI'<br>
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