<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Thanks all for your replies!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">@</span><font face="times new roman, serif">ghunchu'wI'</font><br></div><div class="gmail_default">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;margin-top:12pt"><span lang="EN-GB">1/ Regarding “Quvar vIponglu’”:<span></span></span></p>

<blockquote style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><span lang="EN-GB">That works fine, though some people consider it extremely informal usage.</span></blockquote>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;margin-top:12pt"><span lang="EN-GB">ok thanks for confirming this! Just to check, is there a canon reference on this being informal, stating
that the prefix trick and / or <-lu’> suffix make the sentence informal,
or is it more an opinion / deduction that some Klingon linguists have formed
based on their knowledge of the language?<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;margin-top:12pt"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail-im"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:107%;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">> Thus, in Klingon, can we use a similar structure?<br></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:107%;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(80,0,80);background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span class="gmail-im">> < Quvar jIpong’egh > -- I call myself Quvar</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:107%;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(80,0,80);background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><br></span>It is understandable, but I won't call it grammatically
correct, and I<br><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:107%;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">would avoid it.</span></span></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;line-height:107%;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Ok I
understand, thanks a lot! Plus </font><font face="times new roman, serif">mayqel </font><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">also mentioned it could be misunderstood as "only I call myself Quvar" so it does make sense to avoid the phrasing.<span></span></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><br></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">I thought
about this further, and I figure that actually the general guideline (on
reflexive vs non-reflexive verbs) is to just follow English usage (for the
equivalent verbs), unless stated otherwise in canon materials. <span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">So then if
someone gives an order to 1 other person to sit in Klingon, it will be < </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">yIba’</span><span lang="EN-US"> > but not < </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">yIba’egh</span><span lang="EN-US"> >, because in English you would normally
say “sit down” but not “sit yourself down” (although the 2^nd phrasing
does actually exist, it seems to be nonstandard). <span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks
again </font><font face="wingdings">:)</font></span></p></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-10-03 16:52 GMT+02:00 SuStel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On 10/3/2016 10:36 AM, Lieven wrote:<br>
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Am 03.10.2016 um 16:08 schrieb SuStel:<br>
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You said "So it IS true that the /word/ has a first person object, but<br>
the prefix itself does NOT."<br>
<br>
I don't even know what this is supposed to mean.<br>
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<br>
Come on, you're not that stupid. You just enjoy nitpicking and attach yourself to my not-so-perfect scientific linguistic description. I'm sorry, I'll go study English language and linguistics before I write any other message here.<br>
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<br></span>
Listen, bub: I really didn't understand the phrase, because it really was that badly worded. I don't give a crap how linguistic your descriptions are, so long as your sentence makes sense, which yours didn't. Maybe if you weren't covered in nits, I wouldn't pick so much.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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SuStel<br>
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