<p dir="ltr">Don't take me seriously, but if I read the {Quvar vIponglu'}, I would understand that "someone calls me Quvar"; this would raise the ambiguity that only "that someone" calls me Quvar, while others may call me differently.</p>
<p dir="ltr">As far as the {Quvar jIpong'egh}, then again there is the matter that perhaps "only I" call myself Quvar, while others may call me differently, and there is this additional problem as well:</p>
<p dir="ltr">You have the {jIpong'egh}, and before that you have the {Quvar}; I'm not sure if you can have a noun sitting around in front of a verb, without that noun having a definite and clear relation to that verb. I mean, is {Quvar} an object to the {jIpong'egh} ? Since we have a no object prefix, then obviously it isn't. So, I don't think we can put it there.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Anyway, as I already wrote, when I talk about grammar don't take me seriously..</p>
<p dir="ltr">qunnoq<br>
ghogh HablI'wIjvo' vIngeHta'</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 1 Oct 2016 3:47 p.m., "Aurélie Demonchaux" <<a href="mailto:demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com">demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hoch Savan ! :)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">It’s been
bugging me for a few days now that the most common way in Klingon to introduce one’s name
is to use « pong » as a noun and not a verb, when most languages
(that I know of) offer the possibility to introduce one’s name directly with a specific
verb (« I am called + name »)<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">So I’ve
checked the page on this topic on Klingonwiki.net, and now have 2 questions:<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">1/ On Klingonwiki, one solution for using « pong » as a verb is to do it in the
passive voice, as below:<span></span></span></p>
<blockquote style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><span lang="EN-GB">jIHvaD Quvar ponglu'<br></span><span lang="EN-GB">I am being called Quvar.</span></blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Literally,
this is “For me(/to talk to me), call Quvar”.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;margin-left:35.4pt"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">But since in this example the person being called is “me”, and "Quvar" is only what I'm called, then instead of using < </font><font face="times new roman, serif">jIHvaD Quvar ponglu’
</font><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">> can we also say:<span></span></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">< </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">Quvar
vIponglu’</span><span lang="EN-GB"> > - “I am
called Quvar”? <span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Kind of
like the “prefix trick” I read about elsewhere on the Klingonwiki?<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">2/ Can we
use a pronominal / reflexive verb?<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">In French,
we have lots of pronominal verbs (verbs that are accompanied by a reflexive pronoun,
for example “s’asseoir” (=to sit) literally means “to sit oneself”, or “se
lever” (to get up/stand up) is literally “to get oneself up”)<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">So if
someone says “je m’appelle Quvar” for “I am called Quvar”, what it literally means
is “I call myself Quvar”.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Thus, in
Klingon, can we use a similar structure?<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">< Quvar jIpong’egh ></span><span lang="EN-GB"> -- I call myself Quvar<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Please let me know what you think :)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Thanks in advance!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">~</font><font face="times new roman, serif">mughwI'</font></span></p></div></div>
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