<p dir="ltr">SuStel:<br>
> Use <b>-lu'</b> when you want to de-emphasize the <br>
> role of the subject in the sentence, or when<br>
> you just don't know or don't care who or what<br>
> the subject is. Use <b>vay'</b> when you want to talk<br>
> about <i>someone</i> or <i>something</i> and have them<br>
> play an active role in the sentence.</p>
<p dir="ltr">this is beautiful ! thanks !</p>
<p dir="ltr">qunnoq<br>
ghogh HablI'wIjvo' vIngeHta'</p>
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<div>On 9/20/2016 11:19 AM, mayqel qunenoS
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<pre>Hope this helps a bit
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Yes, it does ! And I think I understand (finally) what's going on.
If I walk in the kitchen to see that someone ate my pie, then I will
say: {QI'yaH ! chabwIj Sopta' vay' !}
But if I want to say that "when someone eats pizza, he always needs to
drink beer too", then I will say {pItSa' chab Soplu'taHvIS vaj reH HIq
tlhutlhnISlu' je}
Because I learned something new, I'm happy, however it amazes me, how
something so important eluded me so far..
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<p>Don't take this too far. It would also be perfectly correct to
say <b>chabwIj Soplu'ta'</b><i> my pie has been eaten.</i> <b>-lu'</b>
is not only for hypothetical or subjunctive uses.</p>
<p>It's a matter of focus. <b>-lu'</b> takes the focus away from
whoever would be the subject of the sentence, because it removes
the subject entirely.</p>
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<p><b>chabwIj Sopta' vay''e'<br>
</b><i>someone, definitely someone, has eaten my pie</i></p>
<p><b>chabwIj Soplu'ta'<br>
</b><i>my pie has been eaten<br>
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<p>In the former sentence, I'm focusing very strongly on the
culprit. In the latter, I'm focusing on my pie and the fact of its
having been eaten; I'm not considering who has done it.</p>
<p>Use <b>-lu'</b> when you want to de-emphasize the role of the
subject in the sentence, or when you just don't know or don't care
who or what the subject is. Use <b>vay'</b> when you want to talk
about <i>someone</i> or <i>something</i> and have them play an
active role in the sentence.<br>
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SuStel
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