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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/8/2016 6:30 AM, De'vID wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On 8 August 2016 at 11:14, mayqel qunenoS <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com"><mihkoun@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">ghunchu'wI':
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<pre wrap="">"This one" doesn't make much sense in Klingon with the number {wa'},
especially when what "one" is counting hasn't been stated, and I can't
figure out what "day of this one" would mean.
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I can't understand why {wa'vam} doesn't make sense.
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The word "one" in English has multiple meanings, only one of which
applies to the Klingon {wa'}.
If I'm in a store and the Klingon storekeeper demands to know which of
several similar items I want, I point and say {Dochvam}, not
*{wa'vam}. In a police line-up, when I'm asked to identify the
perpetrator, I point and say {nuvvetlh}, not *{wa'vetlh}. In English,
"one" acts like a pronoun referring to a thing or person previously
mentioned. It doesn't have this function in Klingon.
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<p>I wouldn't be too quick to say this. TKD 5.2:<br>
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<p>Numbers are used as nouns. As such, they may stand alone as
subjects or objects or they may modify another noun.</p>
<p><b>mulegh cha'</b> <i>Two (of them) see me.</i> (<b>mulegh</b>
<i>they see me,<b> </b></i><b>cha'</b> <i>two</i>)</p>
<p><b>wa' yIHoH</b> <i>Kill one (of them)!</i> (<b>wa'</b> <i>one,</i>
<b>yIHoH</b> <i>kill him/her!</i>)</p>
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<p>Now, the important thing here is that the examples demonstrate
using numbers in a <i>partitive</i> sense. That is, you're
pointing out a certain number out of a whole. If this is the only
way numbers can be used as nouns, then you can't use the <b>*wa'vam</b>
and <b>*wa'vetlh </b>examples above. But the text doesn't make
it explicit that this is the only way to use numbers as nouns.</p>
<p>That said, I agree that mayqel's use of <b>*wa'vam</b> is odd,
and probably doesn't work.<br>
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