<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2951">I used to know a Russian girl who would say "I feel myself cold" or "I feel myself sick". It's a direct extrapolation from the Russian.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2949"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2950">ter'eS<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2880"><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2895" class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2955" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2954" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2953" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2952" dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Christa Hansberry <chransberry@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> tlhInganHol discussion group <tlhingan-hol@kli.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 8, 2016 11:11 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The contradiction of {bortaS}<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2980" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv3565201514"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2982"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2981" dir="ltr">Off-topic: How is "it is cold to me" absolutely weird? After all, if I say, "I am cold", then someone could take my temperature and conclude that I'm still at 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit. So it's not so much that I am cold, as that I have a feeling of coldness... why? Because the air is cold, and making me feel coldness; it is cold to me. Much more logical than English! :-D<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2983"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2984">-QISta'</div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2985" class="yiv3565201514gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv3565201514yqt8697362094" id="yiv3565201514yqtfd74388"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2986" class="yiv3565201514gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:08 AM, Lieven <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:levinius@gmx.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:levinius@gmx.de">levinius@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470674695164_2987" class="yiv3565201514gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Am 07.08.2016 um 15:57 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:<br clear="none">
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it sounds like "shut up don't ask; [...]<br clear="none">
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Actually, that's exectly how we should take it.<br clear="none">
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No language is "logic". Sometimes you just have to accept it as it is. No reason to get upset. Just like Felix pointed out, in english we say "I am cold", french is "I have cold", and then German even says something absolutely weird "it is cold to me" (mir ist kalt).<br clear="none">
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There is a story from qep'a' chorghDIch where an english speaker asked at the restaurant {nuq Daghaj?} for "what will you have", as in "what will you eat?" The german speaker only understands "what do you possess", because in german, you cannot "have" food.<br clear="none">
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Don't be confused too easily.<span class="yiv3565201514HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="none">
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