<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417734694_13542">Or just as <b>nuH pegh</b> can be interpreted as "It's a weapon. It's secret," you could read <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417734694_13755">betgham voQSIp</b> as "It's a liquid. It's nitrogen," using the same construction as <b>Hov leng</b> <i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417734694_13541">Star Trek</i>.</div><div><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417734694_13405">Earlier, <b>chuch bIQ</b> was one usage, rather than <b>bIQ chuch</b> for <i>water ice</i>. But <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417734694_13404">chuch bIQ</b> could mean <i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417734694_13406">ice water</i>, water obtained from ice - for example, runoff from a glacier. They might need the water that came off some melting ice, rather than stuff synthesised from a replicator.</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, 5 August 2016, 18:39, Terrence Donnelly <terrence.donnelly@sbcglobal.net> wrote:<br></font></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv3428004422"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id="yiv3428004422yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417990356_8031"><span></span></div><div class="yiv3428004422qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv3428004422yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417990356_8038"><br clear="none">For me, the N1-N2 construction has always meant that the set N2 is restricted to the subset represented by N1. Every single canon usage of this construction fits this interpretation, even numbers and titles.</div><div class="yiv3428004422qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv3428004422yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417990356_8038"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3428004422qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv3428004422yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417990356_8038">{yaS taj} 'of the universal set of all possible knives, the officer's" = the officer's knife.</div><div class="yiv3428004422qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv3428004422yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417990356_8038">{romuluS HIq} of the set of liquors, the one from/made by Romulans</div><div class="yiv3428004422qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv3428004422yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417990356_8038">{rugh bIQSIp} of the types of hydrogen, the anti-matter kind</div><div class="yiv3428004422qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv3428004422yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417990356_8038">{voQSIp betgham} of the universal set of liquids, the one made from nitrogrn</div><div class="yiv3428004422qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv3428004422yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417990356_8038">{cha' Dujmey} of the universal set of ships, two of them</div><div class="yiv3428004422qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv3428004422yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417990356_8038">{qIrq HoD} of the universal set of captains, the one who is Kirk</div><div class="yiv3428004422qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv3428004422yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417990356_8038"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3428004422qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv3428004422yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417990356_8038">Trying to interpret N1-N2 in the opposite way, that N2 restricts or explains N1 is a kind of 'special pleading", usually using English as the basis of the interpretation. Also, if N1-N2 can be either pattern, it is only possible to tell which is being used by working backwards from the English again.</div><div class="yiv3428004422qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv3428004422yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417990356_8038"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3428004422qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv3428004422yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417990356_8038">But if you understand N1-N2 to be that N1 restricts N2, it works in Klingon every single time, without confusion.</div><div class="yiv3428004422qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv3428004422yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417990356_8038"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3428004422qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv3428004422yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470417990356_8038">ter'eS</div></div></div></div><br><div class="yqt9362728441" id="yqtfd78555">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">tlhIngan-Hol mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org" href="mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org">tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org" target="_blank">http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>