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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/27/2016 10:24 AM, Ed Bailey wrote:<br>
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<p style="text-align:left">jatlh Rhona Fenwick:<br>
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<p style="text-align:left;margin-left:40px">I don't see
anything wrong with saying someone {qIvDu'Daj weqtaH} "is
drumming on their knees with their palms".</p>
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jang SuStel:<br>
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<p style="margin-left:40px">In that case, your knees are a
percussion instrument. You haven't deviated from the
disambiguator at all-- <br>
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<p>This first of all assumes the purpose of drumming on knees
is to make music, and second, we don't know Klingons would
consider a body part so used to be instrument. When the
voice is spoken of as an instrument, it bends the usage for
effect. But even if the knee slapping is to express
amusement, it's understandably similar to playing a drum.</p>
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<p><b>weq</b> doesn't mean <i>hit an object which just happens to
be a percussion instrument, whether or not the hitting is intended
to make music.</i> If a car were to ram into a drum, that would
not be <b>weq,</b> but it certainly would be a kind of hit.</p>
<p>If you're rhythmically slapping your knees, or even just once
when timed for audible effect, that's <b>weq.</b> If you just
happen to hit your knees once at random, that's not <b>weq.</b></p>
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<p>jatlh SuStel:</p>
<p style="margin-left:40px">It simply does not follow Okrand's
pattern to say that hair is only one kind of thing that you
can <b>chIp.</b> He wasn't giving one possible example; he
was telling us the sense of the verb. This doesn't prevent
you from using the verb beyond its literal meaning, just as
English doesn't prevent me from saying I'll give the lawn a
buzz cut.</p>
<p>There's no evidence in Star Trek of Klingon lawns. Even
among humans, it's something of a local fad. Klingons would
probably find lawn-keeping to be bizarre behavior. In that
case, they might well speak metaphorically (and mockingly)
of giving the grass field a haircut.<br>
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<p>You're playing the "a Klingon would" game again.<br>
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