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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>At qep’a’, ghunchu’wi’ and I were reading aloud to each other from Green Eggs, just translating on the fly. When we got to the page with the goat, we just left it at “goat”. It’s an Earth creature. It has a shape, an odour, a set of behaviours, a history in literature and a whole raft of connotations. Why would you want to substitute another animal that can’t possibly be the same?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You don’t find it necessary to change out the targs in Klingon stories for some kind of Earth animal, do you? Why do the same if you want a goat. If what you really really want is an animal that is like a goat in every way except that it is native to Qo’noS then tera’ goat rurchu’bogh Qo’noS Ha’DIbaH’e’ ‘oH. Maybe when a Klingon says “goat,” it’s going to come out a bit like qot or ghot. The latter will go nicely with the fact that the English word for goatHom is the same as the English word for puq.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Stop rebuilding the Klingon world to make it more like yours. It’s like eating at McDonald’s while on vacation in France. <br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>pItlh.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Felix Malmenbeck<br><b>Sent:</b> July 25, 2016 11:05<br><b>To:</b> tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Goat animal<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>> The word wasn't invented by Marc Okrand himself, but<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>> by the author of the novel. I think, however, Okrand<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>> vetted the new Klingon words in it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>According to the author (Keith R.A. DeCandido), Marc Okrand only vetted the glossary for "Diplomatic Implausibility". The glossary for "Honor Bound" was presumably vetted by 'angghal or somebody else from the KLI.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Source: <a href="https://twitter.com/KRADeC/status/91641513691459584">https://twitter.com/KRADeC/status/91641513691459584</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Also, according to DeCandido, the bolmaq is more similar to a hyena than a sheep. I believe I asked this question in connection with the Minecraft translation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Source: <a href="https://twitter.com/KRADeC/status/219789081108946944">https://twitter.com/KRADeC/status/219789081108946944</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>There is a creature known to Klingons that is called a "Degebian mountain goat", which is an eight-legged creature native to Degeb IV which incredibly good at climbing. I don't suppose that helps much with translations, however.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The minn'hor is a beast of burden (similar to cattle), the milk of which is used to make cheese.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I wrote a summary of Klingon-related animals I knew of a few years back (which unfortunately I've lost the original file for, so I can't update it without quite some bit of work; I will however make an effort to enter all relevant entries into the Extended Corpus, which I'm sorry to say I've been insufficiently diligent in updating).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Here is the document: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><cite><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://people.kth.se/~felixm/Klingon+animals.pdf">http://people.kth.se/~felixm/Klingon+animals.pdf</a></span></cite><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I see that I accidentally described the Degebian mountain goat as quadrupetal [sic], which is wrong both in fact and in spelling.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> tlhIngan-Hol <<a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org">tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org</a>> on behalf of André Müller <<a href="mailto:esperantist@gmail.com">esperantist@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 25, 2016 19:00<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Goat animal</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'>In the "extended" canon (in this case the novel "Honor Bound") there is the so-called {bolmaq}, a native animal of Boreth, which makes a bleating sound and tends to run around in circles.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'>The word wasn't invented by Marc Okrand himself, but by the author of the novel. I think, however, Okrand vetted the new Klingon words in it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'>I used {bolmaq} to describe a sheep once.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'>On Jul 25, 2016 18:54, "mayqel qunenoS" <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'>Is there a klingon animal, which resembles the terran goat ?<br><br>mop qIj<br>_______________________________________________<br>tlhIngan-Hol mailing list<br><a href="mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org">tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org" target="_blank">http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>