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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/13/2016 10:10 AM, De'vID wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Are you saying that any QAO *construction* is just ungrammatical? I
was under the impression that what was considered incorrect was
*misinterpreting* the question word in a QAO sentence as a relative
pronoun.</pre>
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<p>We got our first question-as-object sentence from Okrand in
TalkNow!: <b>nuq Datlhutlh DaneH</b><i> What do you want to
drink?</i> This supports the idea that you can use<b> </b>the
pronoun-like (not relative pronoun) question words <b>nuq</b> and
<b>'Iv</b> in the place of the answer, just as TKD describes, even
if it's in the first sentence of a sentence-as-object
construction.<br>
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<pre wrap="">Would anyone on this mailing list even blink if they heard a Klingon
ask {'Iv vIHoH DaneH}? Or misinterpret it as "you want who I kill"?</pre>
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<p>I would blink, because I'd be thinking, "Oh, it's a
question-as-object construction, but it's one of the okay ones."</p>
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<pre wrap="">I actually think {chay' veSDuj'a' vIghajlaH DaH 'e' boyajchoH} is a
perfectly grammatical Klingon sentence, just one that doesn't mean
what Krankor wrote it means.</pre>
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<p>If it's grammatical, I don't understand what it means.</p>
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<pre wrap="">In fact, I think Klingon can express certain questions more
economically and precisely than English.
{chay' maSuv 'e' ra'} "how did he order us to fight? (i.e., he ordered
us to fight; what manner of fighting did he order us to do?)"
This does *not* mean "he commanded how we fight" as a statement, and
it can be contrasted with:
{maSuv chay' 'e' ra'} "how did he order us to fight? (i.e., did he
talk to us in person, did he send a coded communique by subspace, did
he send us a message by courier, etc.?)"</pre>
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Although they are not spelled out in TKD, based on the TalkNow!
example I would probably also accept sentences like:
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<p><b>nuqDaq bItlhutlh DaneH<br>
</b><i>where do you want to drink?</i></p>
<p><b>ghorgh bItlhutlh DaneH<br>
</b><i>when do you want to drink?</i></p>
<p><b>HIq 'ar Datlhutlh DaneH<br>
</b><i>how many ales do you want to drink?</i></p>
<p><b>chay' Datlhutlh DaneH<br>
</b><i>how</i><i> do you</i><i> want to drink?</i></p>
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<p>But, as you say, I wouldn't accept sentences in which the
question word is being used as a relative pronoun.<br>
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